Catrike 700 recumbent trike - Now SOLD
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Topic: Catrike 700 recumbent trike - Now SOLD
Posted By: PaulM
Subject: Catrike 700 recumbent trike - Now SOLD
Date Posted: 18 June 2017 at 4:33pm
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Now listed on eBay https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Catrike-700-recumbent-trike-in-Hyper-Yellow/323352818958" rel="nofollow - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Catrike-700-recumbent-trike-in-Hyper-Yellow/323352818958 This is the sports model from Catrike and is one of fastest production trikes in the world. Mine is the current frame model, the one which uses 20” front wheels and is a significant improvement over the older version with 16” wheels. I bought it new Dec 2015 and used it for around 9 months, so maybe 900 miles on it. Extras include a 2nd mirror and the Catrike frame bags (only used twice) which fit in the space at the rear of the frame out of the wind. The spec is the same as current model apart from using an X9 SRAM 10-speed RD (now GX), http://www.catrike.com/700" rel="nofollow - http://www.catrike.com/700 It’s in very very good condition. However the last 6 inches of the rear mudguard broke off due to the poorly designed stay attachments which cracked the guard but it’s still a serviceable guard. (Note no front guards were purchased.) The front Durano tyres failed (rusted beads, rather odd) and have been replaced with Marathon Racers but I have a pair of boxed unused folding Duranos if you’d prefer these fitted. It will be sold with a lightly used folding 28mm Durano on the rear wheel and with its original unused combi Shimano pedals (flats one side, SPDs t’other) . I will also include the original wrist rests and flag not shown, and front and rear reflectors, but the light attachments and bottle cage I added will be removed. The boom has plenty of extension available but you will probably need to fit a longer FD cable and gear casing if you have longer legs than my shortish 30” trouser leg length ones. I can sort this out for you if it’s a challenge. Some photos here taken after I first got it up and running but I will get take some newer ones shortly, https://1drv.ms/f/s!AmuVLk0nWAz9nxj25nGEz98ZCe6X" rel="nofollow - https://1drv.ms/f/s!AmuVLk0nWAz9nxj25nGEz98ZCe6X These show a DIY black plastic throw over bag restraint on the drive side chain stay which I fitted to keep an over seat bag clear of the chain. This can easily be removed. Catrike no longer have a UK dealer so a new trike would need to be a personal import. I estimate that with shipping, duties and VAT this would be around £3400 for the trike not including the frame bags. Price is a firm £2200. Delivery after payment is negotiable. Viewings welcomed. ------------- Paul |
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Posted By: PaulM
Date Posted: 25 June 2017 at 9:41pm
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I gave the trike a careful check over today and took these pictures, https://1drv.ms/a/s!AmuVLk0nWAz9gYolrUnrjD8uy-lZiQ" rel="nofollow - https://1drv.ms/a/s!AmuVLk0nWAz9gYolrUnrjD8uy-lZiQ So time for a bit of hard selling. This is a truly phenomenal trike. The space vertebra frame and the internally braced boom ensure that power to the pedals gets transmitted to the rear wheel rather than being lost as heat in flexing the frame. And yet the long wheelbase and mesh seat provide passive suspension to keep the ride comfortable. Its 30 gears provide a gear range from 22 to 127 inches. This is the 4th trike I have owned and it’s significantly faster and more comfortable than the ICE Sprint 26 I previously had. The manufacturing quality is top notch, beautifully CNC machined rear drop outs and brake mounts, not to mention the Velocity A23 semi-aero rim on the 700 wheel. An independent review can be found here: http://www.bentrideronline.com/?p=8971" rel="nofollow - http://www.bentrideronline.com/?p=8971 ------------- Paul |
Posted By: PaulM
Date Posted: 08 July 2017 at 7:33am
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Any offers? ------------- Paul |
Posted By: PaulM
Date Posted: 11 August 2017 at 10:10pm
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Final offer, yours for £2100. You really would have to spend double to get something new which was in the same league as this. ------------- Paul |
Posted By: andygardeneruk
Date Posted: 09 September 2017 at 12:39pm
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still for sale? |
Posted By: PaulM
Date Posted: 10 September 2017 at 7:46am
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Yes, still available. The price above doesn't include the Finer Recliner headrest I have just purchased for it.If you want that it's another £65. The Catrike headrest is included. ------------- Paul |
Posted By: andygardeneruk
Date Posted: 10 September 2017 at 11:04am
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thanks for reply. admittedly im completely new to recumbents but been a keen cyclist for years. ive never ridden one or even seen one on the road. i have developed pains in my arms from riding my road bike, so looking for an alternative. and they look alot of fun of course. :) this model seems like on of the more exciting models of trike from what ive read, and at a good price considering the age and the new price. looks in good condition from the pics. if i did buy it, it would need to be posted. not sure about security in that case, unless its listed on ebay or something. i live in the midlands and dont drive. possibly i could get a lift down from a neighbor to pick up. it probably would be a good idea to check it over before buying. cheers |
Posted By: PaulM
Date Posted: 10 September 2017 at 8:31pm
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Probably best if we talk on the phone. I'll send you a private message. I can deliver but you should try before you buy. Worth you getting a cheap coach or train to take a look and to try it and a bike for comparison. I have a Rans Stratus XP which is a good bike for a bent novice. ------------- Paul |
Posted By: PaulM
Date Posted: 17 September 2017 at 5:50pm
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Withdrawn from Sale for the moment. I decided I was enjoying riding it again too much after forking out for a Finer Recliner headrest and couldn't think of a better trike to replace it with. ------------- Paul |
Posted By: andygardeneruk
Date Posted: 18 September 2017 at 9:17am
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ok no problem. i dont blame you, it does look a lot of fun. i really like the catrike 700. i get the impression its not popular with some around here, possibly too extreme. but i think what they are missing is 'thats the point' :) |
Posted By: D.TEK
Date Posted: 18 September 2017 at 12:01pm
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The Catrike 700 is thought as "no more extreme" than a Windcheetah or ICE VTX All should be considered "Sporting lightweights of the trike world" and designed for pure road tarmac or perhaps race track capable for weekend racing . With a limited choice of tyres for this class of trike . Unless you wish to risk or mess up the handling by fitting "fat" and "comfort" and "puncture proof" products . Couple of practical points ........... None of these offer a quick fold so storage and transportation can be a concern Very important ......seat angle adjustment is nil on the Catrike rather limited on the Windcheetah ... Only the ICE VTX gets full marks for providing instant seat rake /angle adjustment . Would BHPC members suggest its a good starter machine for someone who has never even sat in or ridden a recumbent and prepared to buy blind off a bit of paper ?  ------------- D.TEK HPVS purveyors of recumbent trikes and cycles |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 18 September 2017 at 12:49pm
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I'd certainly want to see it and sit on it first... ------------- |
Posted By: andygardeneruk
Date Posted: 18 September 2017 at 12:55pm
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hi. i didnt say it was more extreme than the windcheetah or ice vtx at all, just that it is at the extreme end, ie designed more for speed than comfort) which is true isn't it. all nice models im sure. and if can you get those at that price or lower secondhand, in same condition, id be interested in them as well. dont know prices of ice vtx, but the windcheetah is really expensive. i dont think you can say catrike700 might be an expensive mistake for a newb and then suggest buying a windcheetah !! lol from what ive seen the catrike700 is priced extremely keenly compared with other similar 'racing trikes' :) as to folding. no interest in that feature. inevitably adds weight and complication. seat angle adjustment. nope, same reason. adds complication. i WANT it reclined at the most reclined angle as possible, because, hey its a low racer recumbent!! its designed to have best aerodynamics as possible so why would you want to dilute that. as its also said to be v comfortable, i see no issue with it :) besides you only alter a normal bike seat to get the correct pedel stroke. but you are completely stuck with the riding position. and everyone still buys normal bikes! skinny tyres is not an issue as its for road use only. its not going to be any more uncomfortable than a road bike and millions ride them everyday. basically what i want is the trike recumbent version of a good road bike. im not interested in any other type. im a crazy guy and id buy the most extreme low racer carbon trike if i could afford one lol. i really dont understand your problem with a newb buying a catrike 700. i could always sell it again. but its a moot point now i guess. cheers |
Posted By: RoyMacdonald
Date Posted: 18 September 2017 at 11:24pm
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Because no one wants to see you put off recumbents because you bought the wrong trike, and one with an adjustable seat angle will not suit everyone, especially as it is reputed to have a very stiff unforgiving frame. If you only intend to race it on tracks then buying without trying probably does not matter. Roy
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Posted By: RoyMacdonald
Date Posted: 19 September 2017 at 5:28pm
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I've been thinking about what you said you want from a trike and noticed that you have not said why you want a trike rather than a (recumbent) bike. When people talk about "fast" trikes they mean fast for a trike. With like for like riders all fast trikes are slower than fast bikes. They have more rolling resistance are heavier and less aerodynamic. They have other advantages like being able to stay clipped, in coping with adverse terrain and weather conditions safely. Speed is not a reason to choose a trike though. They only become fast if you add a full fairing, but then we get away from your desire for a simple design. Look at the average speeds in the race results to get an idea of how much faster the bikes are. For my first recumbent trial I rode a Kingcycle and a Trice and the sheer speed advantage sold me on the Kingcycle. One thing you will not have realised is that it's far more difficult to avoid potholes and branches on a trike than a bike. I ride a trike three days a week so I'm well aware of the downsides of trikes despite the fun side of them. I have a hardshell seat on mine and that allows a much better power transfer than the mesh one it came with. My average speed in London on the Kingcycle was around 25 mph and almost every day I would hit 50 mph. descending from Crystal Palace. For your money you could get a new lowracer recumbent bike which might suit you better given that you seem to prioritise speed. I'd recommend a visit to Kevin (D tek) or Bikefix or a BHPC race meeting to get a balanced view of what will fit your requirements best. All the best. Roy
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Posted By: andygardeneruk
Date Posted: 19 September 2017 at 7:53pm
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hi. i really dont understand you guys and your anti catrike 700 crusade. lol roy, i do like the raptobike low racer. looks fun but also very expensive, about £1500 new. still prefer fast (ish) trikes. the best are not as fast as recumbent bikes, but i like the go cart handling and that they are absolutely distinct from two wheelers. i definitely recognize its not all about speed, having fun is what its all about, eh. maybe paul will decide to sell in a few months, or i can find another similar trike, locally, that i can test ride first in case its rubbish..... i dont want to get into trouble with my mum for spending all my pocket money on a tricycle :) cheers |
Posted By: D.TEK
Date Posted: 19 September 2017 at 11:11pm
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Your quote "but the windcheetah is really expensive" confirms you have little understanding or knowledge of recumbents . As a novice this is entirely understandable . Hence BHPC and other other recumbent forums members are always willing and able to offer advice . But only if you are prepared to listen and digest the information . The key to this is simple .....ride ride ride a variety of machines and discover what suits you at the end of the day . Armchair riding in front of a computer screen is simply doomed Windcheetah's have been around for more than thirty years . So price points for pre-owned models can suit all pockets and tastes . Oh and I currently have 7 examples in stock from as new with zero miles or high miles to suit all £££££££ pockets  Plus six models of Catrikes and the full lineup of ICE trikes (including the VTX with carbon bling) A couple of Challenge trikes and a rather nice mint condition Greenspeed with RH14 Plus lots lots more including a FWD Russian built trike (I call it the MIG) Finally .......never ridden on the road ....complete time warp ( but really cheap at less than £600) and very very laid back (might well appeal to some folks ) ...its from New Zealand ???? Can you guess what it is ..........................Yep its a HOTMOVER Trike  Has anyone in the UK ridden one ??? Hope that helps and will encourage you to go recumbent riding soonest . ------------- D.TEK HPVS purveyors of recumbent trikes and cycles |
Posted By: andygardeneruk
Date Posted: 20 September 2017 at 8:32am
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windcheetah are great, but from what ive seen, a 2015 model is going to cost more than a catrike 700 of same year, by some margin as well :) ice vtx sure looks nice. bet its pricey tho. i still think my initial conclusion was correct. catrike 700 is best bang for the buck lol need some prices to change my opinion. :) |
Posted By: D.TEK
Date Posted: 20 September 2017 at 10:07am
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Facts or fiction or pure guess work To the best of my knowledge (what would I know !) Only 3 or 4 Windcheetahs have been offered for sale since 2015 and that does not mean a confirmed sale all via BHPC small ads . Ebay UK have listed just 7 Windcheetahs during that period and that probably includes some of the above Other sources "for sale" Velovision + CTC + Gumtree+ YACF + Cyclechat +Pre Loved Reveal 4 offered since Jan 2015 . Bentrider online ....I don't have any stats ... But no one is going to re-import from the other side of the Atlantic back to the UK? You cannot find a "Parkers+ What Car + Glass's recumbent price guide" in WH Smiths . So using the ghost buster line ...."Who you going to call "  Actually I would suggest you make the effort to meet and speak to BHPC members for sensible and friendly advice and a jolly good day out . If you pop along to a race meeting you might meet Mike Burrows the designer or Karl S the current owner and builder of the Windcheetah marque . ------------- D.TEK HPVS purveyors of recumbent trikes and cycles |
Posted By: andygardeneruk
Date Posted: 20 September 2017 at 12:06pm
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i dont think id be interested in the windcheetah even though its the classic. just too rare and expensive to bother with. the ice vtx and greenspeed aero look more mainstream, like the catrike, but unless i see a price, i assume they are too pricey. the obvious rarity of these things, from what you are saying yourself, together with your reluctance to give any actual prices, just vindicates my decision to buy pauls catrike700. |
Posted By: D.TEK
Date Posted: 20 September 2017 at 12:38pm
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Andy G wrote "i dont want to get into trouble with my mum for spending all my pocket money on a tricycle :) " Your Mum probably knows best then .....I feel a KMX Kart coming on  In fact BHPC encourage junior members so your age (unstated) should not be a barrier . ------------- D.TEK HPVS purveyors of recumbent trikes and cycles |
Posted By: RoyMacdonald
Date Posted: 20 September 2017 at 10:13pm
But you are looking at over £2,000 for the Catrike, so how does that make the Raptobike expensive? I'm not anti Catrike at all, but all the 'fast' trikes are more limited in what you can do with them. So if fun is your priority I'm still not sure the Catrike will suite your needs, except you seem to like it so much that you will overlook it's shortcomings. I ride my trike off road quite happily but I could not do that if it had no suspension. ICE suspension is very simple and works well enough on or off road. My set up is a compromise so I can be reasonable quick on the road and still go off road if I feel like it. To me that is more fun. Increasingly I find when I'm on the road though I want more speed for my efforts so I defiantly feel a recumbent bike or a velomobile is on the cards. One thing I would comment on with my extreme seat angle is that as the sun sinks lower in the sky I get more reflections on my visor and it is becoming a bit difficult to see into shady areas or my cadence and heart rate read out. Now with a Catrike 700 I would be stuck with the angle. Still maybe you don't always ride with an aero helmet like I do. I just picked up a bruise on my cheek on Sunday from hitting a wasp at 31 mph so I like plenty of protection because it's far from being the first time I've been smacked in the face by an insect at speed. One thing to be aware of with the Raptobike is that it is front wheel drive and that does not suit strong lightweight riders. I did around 30,000 miles on my Kingcycle Wasp (FWD) and I did fall off a few times when the front wheel lost traction climbing a hill. And I weigh about 16lb less than when I was racing, so even though I like the design of the Raptobike I know it would not suit me. Don't get too carried away with recumbent porn on YouTube, there is no substitute for sitting, trying and talking about a few of them.  My Sprint FS was originally sold by Kevin (D.TEC) to someone who could not come to terms with the realities of commuting by bike and only did a few miles on it. I can tell you though it was very well prepared so I can recommend Kevin and say he knows his stuff. (I put the hardshell seat on, I'm not happy unless I get maximum power transfer) I can say the ICE carbon seat is the best I've ever ridden with. Good luck with whatever you choose. Roy
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andygardeneruk wrote:Posted By: D.TEK
Date Posted: 20 September 2017 at 11:13pm
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Roy I suspect your upgraded ICE VTX seat is probably as comfortable as a Volvo ------------- D.TEK HPVS purveyors of recumbent trikes and cycles |
Posted By: RoyMacdonald
Date Posted: 21 September 2017 at 9:24pm
Very observant of you Kevin. I thought that it would be less comfortable than the original mesh seat and was very surprised to find it more comfortable plus significantly faster uphill. (and down) All the best. Roy  |
Posted By: D.TEK
Date Posted: 21 September 2017 at 9:49pm
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Hi Roy found this Volvo design lacking pedals but ............... http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-stuv/Volvo-Extreme-Gravity-Car-Woman-Top-1024x768.jpg you may choose to share the image with BHPC members ------------- D.TEK HPVS purveyors of recumbent trikes and cycles |
Posted By: PaulM
Date Posted: 21 September 2017 at 11:23pm
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I'm sure the ICE VTX, Windcheetah, Greenspeed Aero and Carbontrikes are all wonderful machines and all offer something different. Try before you buy is obviously sensible advice, though the only machine I couldn't get on with was actually one which I did try before I bought (an HPV Grasshopper). My experience is that there is quite a lot of tweaking and adaption that goes on after buying a recumbent - but you do want to be in the right ball park when you purchase. Incidentally, I do occassionally take my 700 slaloming down the grassy slopes of Portsdown Hill when traffic is queuing back up the A3. The 4" of ground clearance really helps. Try that on a VTX. I regularly do the reverse direction up the hill in bottom gear - easier now with the 32mm Pasela, the Durano was no good on wet grass. Catrike have just announced a "revised 700". Basically a thru-axle design, Zipp rear wheel, rear disk and new seat. I'm not sure about any of those changes. Might benefiit some, might disadvantage others. I'm sure they all add weight. A bit odd really. ------------- Paul |
Posted By: RoyMacdonald
Date Posted: 22 September 2017 at 12:53am
The Zipp wheel looks pretty light weight to me but I don't see the point of the rear disk, that is just unnecessary weight. They say the new seat is for better power transfer. The weight is not in the same class as the Windcheeta though. The new top of the range one weighs 22 lb. That's 11 lb less than the 700. Of course the Windcheeta is a lot lot more expensive. The long wheelbase and my light weight mean I get a lot of wheelspin with the Wincheeta but at least it doesn't make me fall off like a FWD bike would. All the best. Roy |
Posted By: PaulM
Date Posted: 22 September 2017 at 8:16am
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I'll have to arrange to meet Karl at one of the BHPC races next year and try one of his Windcheetahs. I intented to this year but things got in the way. Just don't know how I will get on with the steering. I sold my ICE Sprint 26 because I found it too heavy and too tiring on my commute. It weighed about 41lbs (running) weight. The 700 is probably around 35lbs runninng weight but feels lighter (no rack for a start) and more responsive, probably because of less frame flex. I wish Catrike had gone for a lightened revised 700 -they have large Americans to consider I suppose. I love the looks of the new HPV Scorpion 2 but it looks to be built for large Germans. ------------- Paul |
Posted By: RoyMacdonald
Date Posted: 22 September 2017 at 7:30pm
Yes the ICE Sprint is certainly on the heavy side when compared to a Windcheeta. I found the responsiveness jumped to a different level with the VTX seat though. I have a very short boom to match my legs so that seems pretty stiff to me and I feel all the flex came from the mesh seat. Of course I have the 20" wheels all round and the racing trike that ICE built to take the World Multitrack Championship had 20" wheels for increased response. (26mph average speed) Ian Sims also states that as the reason his Greenspeed top of the range trike has the 16" wheels fitted with his Scorcher tyres all round. http://greenspeed-trikes.com/aero.html#rating" rel="nofollow - http://greenspeed-trikes.com/aero.html#rating I like the aesthetics of a 26" rear wheel though. Giant Dutch and German riders! No wonder so few bikes fit me and I'm not a fan of FWD, for me, at least. At least ICE do give you a choice of seat sizes. All the best. Roy
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Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 23 September 2017 at 7:54am
<pedant hat on> Junior class and it had a 26" rear wheel<pedant hat off> |
Posted By: RoyMacdonald
Date Posted: 23 September 2017 at 3:33pm
Sorry Ian, but we are not talking about the same bike. From the eBay advert. "
Here for auction is my beloved race trike. It was assembled in this configuration to race in the WHPVA world championships in UK at Fowlmead in 2012 where it was fastest multitrack and Germany in 2013 where it was to fastest unfaired multi-track. Sadly although it has been kept updated it has not seen any racing action since so its time to make some space and say goodbye to it. So here is a unique opportunity (overused phrase but in this case true) to get your hands on a fast trike custom built from the ground up at the ICE factory in Cornwall UK. The frame is a one-off and was all hand brazed at ICE by Chris (director) and Ben (designer). As a trike for racing It was optimized for stiffness and maximum pedaling efficiency , then considerations were given to aerodynamics, weight saving, handling and reliability." It went for £4,600 odd. 
All the best. Roy
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Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 23 September 2017 at 4:44pm
| Yes there is some confusion as Ben averaged 21-22mph on that machine in 2012, can't find 2013 results, Tim averaged just under 26 mph at Fowlmead in 2012 - fully faired. |
Posted By: PaulM
Date Posted: 18 July 2018 at 7:36am
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Too late for the World Championships, but now on eBay. Listing finishes Monday: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Catrike-700-recumbent-trike-in-Hyper-Yellow/323352818958" rel="nofollow - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Catrike-700-recumbent-trike-in-Hyper-Yellow/323352818958 ***** NOW SOLD ******* ------------- Paul |