Hog Hill, 10th July
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Topic: Hog Hill, 10th July
Posted By: Adrian Setter
Subject: Hog Hill, 10th July
Date Posted: 08 June 2011 at 5:50pm
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We don't have a volunteer to lead the organisating for this event yet. Please will someone step up? Post here or PM me if you prefer. ------------- Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer |
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Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 08 June 2011 at 5:55pm
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The venue is:
http://www.redbridgecyclingcentre.co.uk/ - Redbridge Cycling Centre
Forest Road Hainault Ilford IG6 3HP More location information http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=51.604038,0.130978&spn=0.00657,0.014741&t=h&z=16 - here ------------- Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 03 July 2011 at 12:24pm
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Still no organiser for this event?? I think at Hog Hill people will need to know what the race format is going to be in advance so that they can sort out things like gearing, which bike to use, whether to get out of bed etc... ------------- |
Posted By: Twed
Date Posted: 03 July 2011 at 6:06pm
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Ok.....I will step up for organising at Hog Hill.
The layout will certainly be weather dependant. My initial thoughts are to run a couple of 40mins races on the lower circuit. Also I'd thought of starting with a full single lap ....yup that will include the hill.....but only once ;O) ------------- Never believe an atom they make up everything. |
Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 03 July 2011 at 7:46pm
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track layouts shown here give many options: http://www.vision-rcl.org.uk/redbridgetrack.html. The tiny bit at the top looks interesting, as long as the number of riders on track is small... |
Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 03 July 2011 at 9:26pm
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Timing system will be there, at least as best as I kno at the moment...
------------- gNick "I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles" |
Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 03 July 2011 at 9:39pm
Any chance of a decision before the day? I ask cos i'm down in Reading Friday/Saturday, I won't be home until very late Sat, or Early Sunday, I don't really want to have to get up at 6am to find out when i arrive at the track that i can't get up the hill (if we are going clockwise) or go round the tight bends if we are on the tiny circuits at the top of the hill! Cheers Ian
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Twed wrote:Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 03 July 2011 at 11:17pm
  .Wind, pah! I'm an expert on wind. [edit] Sorry Claire/Neil for threading a shark through a fagpaper gap while fighting the squalley conditions at Reading. |
Posted By: JDub
Date Posted: 04 July 2011 at 2:15pm
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Wind, pah! I'm an expert on wind. [/QUOTE] Stand well clear! ------------- jdub... Got the T-shirt http://protobikes.org.uk/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/150386999@N02/ |
Posted By: Twed
Date Posted: 07 July 2011 at 1:03pm
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After much debate with my racing consultant and a quick view of the weather forcast, I have decided that the original format for the races will remain. Number of races depends upon the numbers that turn up.
For now, we will start with a standing start single lap which will be on the FULL 2.1km lap. Following that will be a 40 min + 1 lap race(s) on the lower 1.15km layout. One point that is worth making .....being on time may be essential, as once single laps are under way it may be restrictive for new arrived riders to get to the startline (currrently assumed being at the very bottom 'layby'). ------------- Never believe an atom they make up everything. |
Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 07 July 2011 at 1:11pm
| call me a pedant (not all at once), but will the big lap be anti-clockwise?? |
Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 07 July 2011 at 9:40pm
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Was it thought that clockwise was safer for faster moving vehicles? Thinking about the bend at the bottom of the hill when going anticlockwise... ( i have riden both ways only unfaired ) |
Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 07 July 2011 at 10:00pm
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Anticlockwise is much more fun IMHO ------------- Right Time - Right Place - Wrong Speed |
Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 08 July 2011 at 9:47am
And i thought you were fearless!!! Safer? Is that because you don't have to brake? surely ant-clockwise is potentially less safe if the rider is unable to judge what is a safe speed and line to take, then one may argue that for any bend or slope, and maybe they shouldn't be in something faster  Any way all academic to me as it is now too late to get sorted for Sunday and not knowing which way round we are going, with the potential of going clockwise which if i remember correctly is steeper i won't be doing that as i don't want to mangle the cranks again! Hope you all have a cracking race! |
Posted By: Twed
Date Posted: 08 July 2011 at 2:09pm
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I'm going with anti-clockwise, as i suspect that is the safer direction for the fast guys at the top twiddly bit ------------- Never believe an atom they make up everything. |
Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 08 July 2011 at 3:54pm
Both me and Derrek having some experience of 2 wheeled speed should be fine. BUT, I'm the first to admit that on a fast lap I'm likely to take chances where no other riders are endangered as they may be in a normal race. Also remember that we're unlikely to spend a half hour or so practicing lap after lap at full speed before trying for the fast one. I bet most people will look over the brow and do it "cold". Shame you'll be missing all the fun (and the challenge) . |
Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 09 July 2011 at 3:27pm
| due to a remarkable and not to be published turn of events i'm coming to hoggy to scare myself tomorrow!! |
Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 09 July 2011 at 3:30pm
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Posted By: Judith
Date Posted: 10 July 2011 at 5:24pm
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Thanks very much, Twed, Anne, gNick and anybody else who contributed to running a very enjoyable day. It was a sound decision to use the Hill only once. The lower circuit packs a lot of interesting-but-doable corners into a compact space, and using it both ways made for some varied and exciting racing. Bravo!  Commiserations to Neil Hood on falling foul of the Curse of the Cobra and destroying a very smart skinsuit... we hope the skin grows back soon, Neil  |
Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 10 July 2011 at 7:23pm
| my thanks too and inspirational use of track, one of my best days racing! i got home to find rear tyre flat, same tack, Neil?? |
Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 10 July 2011 at 9:22pm
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Track on the lower section was much more interesting than I thought it would be and quite fast, and it answers those put off by the hill. With neither Adrian or Andrew there, who is going to tell Mike B that, if he'd turned up, he would have taken partially-faired points almost uncontested?! Shame we didn't have a bigger turnout - maybe we should start calling it Redbridge (as the signposts do) to put less emphasis on the 'hill' bit! It does have the advantage over most of our other venues of offering a wide variety of possible track layouts. The streamliners were using mad angles of lean round the tighter bends - awesome! Thanks to Anne, Derrick and gNick for a great day out. ------------- Right Time - Right Place - Wrong Speed |
Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 10 July 2011 at 9:27pm
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My grateful thanks to gNick, Anne and Derrick for one of the best race days for a long time! On top of an already exciting year for me. A special further mention to Nick who has spent time (and money) to bring us the timing system, and run it also .ps- Slasher- I'm biting your heels now!! Neeext time... ha ha <evil laugh>.pps- Time for more "T" Vicar, I think. |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 10 July 2011 at 9:35pm
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Glad you all had a good one... Sounds like Twed may have found the way to make Hog Hill enjoyable!
 Hope Neil Hood is ok...We didn't make it there as we were taking part in the New Milton Pedal Car Grand Prix today - an amazing experience on closed roads with 53 entrants and huge crowds...
We actually led for a while (thanks to Neil's incredibly quick car...) but were taken out by some over-enthusiastic driving by another competitor on the narrow track...
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Posted By: hotta
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 8:44am
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Same as howard,big thanks to all for a great days racing.having a day off today arm is sore but i'll be ok.good to see some people getting fastera and the track is great fun hope more come next time. ------------- never stop it hurts less in the end |
Posted By: BarneyH
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 8:49am
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One more vote of thanks for Twed and his inspirational use of the track.
It is a shame that not more people turned out but it meant we had a couple of excellent 30 minute races with everybody on the track at once, I just hope the electonics behaved for gettign the results out.
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Posted By: bazz
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 9:12am
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Ditto to all of the above!
The hill was good fun! going down it in any case, I think I maybe went up it more times than I would have liked to though.
The track layout was fantastic with some realy nice, tight, fast corners and a great pair of races.
Thanks to all that made the day worth the train ride.
Neil H, I hope you don't hurt too much, and wishing you a quick healing.
Take care,
Barry ;-)
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Posted By: ND4E
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 11:38am
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Great racing, one of my favourite tracks hope we keep racing there bottom circuit proved a great success. Great weather, great organising team, speedy recovery Neil and don't forget those elbow pads next time! that bike has a habit of sliding at HH. Our racing a bit safer that the tour de France at the weekend! ------------- ND4E |
Posted By: Judith
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 2:31pm
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Posted By: ND4E
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 2:37pm
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Neil had elbows pads with him just not on his elbows. Always worth reminding everyone on the start line for those that want to use them but have forgotten to put them on. I rode up to the start without a helmet on and had to ride back up the hill to get it! ------------- ND4E |
Posted By: JDub
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 5:31pm
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Bottom circuits were OK. I don't think I will go to HH again. In view of attendance, consensus seems to be with me. ------------- jdub... Got the T-shirt http://protobikes.org.uk/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/150386999@N02/ |
Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 9:47pm
Sorry for the delay, mostly due to ineptitude on my part in interpretating the numbers but here are the results for query and discussion. FWIW these are the first timing system only results...
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Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 10:04pm
Thanks gNick and nice one Mr Timing System 
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Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 10:35pm
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Worrying that messrs Slade and Yeomans speeded up in the second race - have these people not heard of tiredness?
------------- gNick "I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles" |
Posted By: ND4E
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 11:01pm
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Yeah big thanks gnick, noticed you were the first to arrive and still there when everyone left. Tried to say goodbye but you were zoned out in front of the laptop. Me and Baz also speeded up in second race mostly due to Baz towing me, Trying to get to end of season without buying a pack of correx and creating another monster! ------------- ND4E |
Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 11:37pm
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Wwat was the aggregate split between the 1-lap and the 2x30minute races? dare I ask the number cruncher. |
Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 11:43pm
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 11 July 2011 at 11:49pm
| Another thanks to gNick for coming so far to time so few. Is HH viable? The little circuits were OK but nothing special. Still can't get HP up the hill, so I won't bother if it is on again. Oh yes, I 'rode' Andy's Moulton RX8 for the single lap. Walking might have been quicker. |
Posted By: tincanracer
Date Posted: 12 July 2011 at 9:00am
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Just wanted to add my thanks to the those already expressed for the organisation and time keeping on Sunday. I enjoyed the circuit and would be happy to race there again, perhaps numbers will be up next time when people become aware of the fact that the hill is not used in the race. On a different note I was not far behind Neil when he crashed (albeit several laps down) because of a puncture. My bike seemed to be getting heavier to ride towards the end, I put it down to a week in Yorkshire drinking weak northern beer  ! When I went to my workshop last night my front tyre was flat so I must have picked up a slow puncture about the same place. Has anyone else checked their tyres since Sunday and found the same?Cheers Stuart ------------- Laid Back in Spirit |
Posted By: bazz
Date Posted: 12 July 2011 at 11:22am
I was actually 1 mph slower in the second race Andy, my left knee had decided it didn't want to play shop, and I was running on nothing but Dave Tigwell's pasty fumes
 I did manage pick it up again after a bit of a talking to myself.You were going great on your new Moulton LB by the way Andy.
Thanks for the results gnick, I had a panic attack at the top of the hill when I realised the timing chip was missing from my forks, I though my day was going to end in disaster, ever get that sinking feeling? so glad you had pinched it when I was not looking.
Take care,
Barry ;-)
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Posted By: ND4E
Date Posted: 12 July 2011 at 12:25pm
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So you were, sorry I was comparing the speed in the single lap to the first race. Thanks for towing me and Twed round for half the race, hope the knee gets better, but not too much better or I won't be able to hold on!.
Gerry will be back racing on his kingcycle at Lancaster/Preston. He has just ridden end to end unsupported in 9 days!. Should be some good racing there looking forward to it. Lancaster is a good track and Preston even better ------------- ND4E |
Posted By: bazz
Date Posted: 12 July 2011 at 12:51pm
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No worries, I was not sure how you figured the faster speeds out, makes sense now ;-)
I don't think I have raced against Gerry in the same race yet, I was wonderign where he was.
I won't be going to Lancaster or Preston sadly, too costly for me to travel far and find somewhere to stay at the moment. I hope next year will be a fuller year for me.
I think my next may be Fowlmead if I can sort it out, not sure if I want to lug camping gear and bike along on the train though.
Take care,
Barry ;-)
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Posted By: ND4E
Date Posted: 12 July 2011 at 4:06pm
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Your'e not far from me so should be able to take your camping gear at least and maybe you too if I end up going alone. Would have to have roof down on car to fit both bikes in, but it never rains at Fowlmead!. Will PM you nearer the time ------------- ND4E |
Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 12 July 2011 at 4:51pm
Good point Stuart, i was going to post that when i checked rear tyre that had deflated i found a shard of flint about 5mm long through the inner tube, it had been right through the tyre. On closer inspection i found numerous other bits of flint in the rear tyre - front's were ok apart from a couple of small cuts. So yes if you raced i suggest you check your rubber wear for bits of hard stuff! |
Posted By: LeeW
Date Posted: 12 July 2011 at 4:55pm
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It was flint which caused my rather spectacular off at hog hill 2010. ------------- Current fleet: Milan SL MK2 #027, Fujin SL II, Beany! |
Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 12 July 2011 at 4:57pm
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Posted By: ND4E
Date Posted: 12 July 2011 at 5:01pm
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I found a bit of BHPC skin suit stuck to my tyre!. I think we should gaffa tape yard brooms to Steve and Howards bikes to clear the track for the rest of us and slow them down a bit ------------- ND4E |
Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 12 July 2011 at 7:34pm
30-35-35 It can be adjusted since the points won't be done until I have the stuff from Reading. ------------- gNick "I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles" |
Posted By: tosgh
Date Posted: 12 July 2011 at 8:08pm
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Just to say that Christine and I were not at Hog hill simply because she was running in a local event at Worthing for cancer relief on Sunday. Also we had to abort Reading after having started the trip as 12 miles in Christine felt unwell and we turned back. ------------- weight is everything |
Posted By: bazz
Date Posted: 12 July 2011 at 8:34pm
I saw the sunny report from the last Fowlmead, me thinks you are tellin' porkies
Take care,
Barry ;-)
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