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Topic: Hog Hill
Posted By: Adrian Setter
Subject: Hog Hill
Date Posted: 24 August 2010 at 1:14pm
Having checked my notes and forum posts, I think I'm right in saying that nobody's volunteered to organisate for the Hog Hill meeting.  (But, having misplaced knowledge of volunteers for at least two events this year, I could be wrong again.)
 
Who wants the power to say whether we will or will not be racing up and down the hill this year, then?


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Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 24 August 2010 at 2:14pm
I'm not going to volunteer cos I'm doing Hillingdon, but can I put in a plea for the track layout we used last year. The banked corner in the dip after the start/finish straight is like being on a velodrome and the technical combination of corners after the thrillingly fast downhill must be the most exciting experiences to be had in BHPC racing and really rewards courage. Okay, you have to go up the hill but I can only recommend lower gears (you run out of gears pretty fast on the downhill anyway). This track is unique in our calendar - and despite the hill, a streamliner is still by far the fastest thing around there!

Am I the only one who feels this way?


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Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 24 August 2010 at 4:10pm
tbh I preferred the way we raced the first year, as I felt the straight after the long descent carried your speed further.  

But I don't mind it either way.


Posted By: Yanto63
Date Posted: 24 August 2010 at 8:18pm
Having only raced one direction (last year) i can't really comment apart from; the top lumpy and banked corner was terrifying in Quest, and the bottom tight left hander was so slow to stop me from tipping over, and the hill, well everyone should try it in a 75lb machine, and feel the muscle BURN!!!!! rest of track is ok!

I'm not volunteering as i don't want to be the cause of any grief on a day when results are required on the day! And i don't have time to spend working out how all the IT and stuff is worked! sorry!

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Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 23 September 2010 at 12:06pm
have we got any takers for organising yet? 

ian, going the other way (clockwise), the climb is longer but shallower, that banked corner at the top you can really hit at speed after cresting the hill and it pulls you up around to the finish, and going down the big hill you can carry your speed further right around the bottom corner and onto the long back straight.

I'd rather someone else volunteered, but if there's no takers I'll do it and we'll definitely go clockwise.. Evil Smile


Posted By: graydog
Date Posted: 23 September 2010 at 1:51pm
YOU know what will happen if I do it!!!!Censored
 
to keep in with roadie types who use the track it will be a 60lap with splites at 20/40 off the bell..... with and get this a "king of the hill"
 
For this I will need four race up date on the software three video cams and a cup of teaClown only joking about the tea, I drink coffee.........
 
 
 


Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 23 September 2010 at 7:45pm
fards wrote: "ian, going the other way (clockwise), the climb is longer but shallower, that banked corner at the top you can really hit at speed after cresting the hill and it pulls you up around to the finish, and going down the big hill you can carry your speed further right around the bottom corner and onto the long back straight."

Yehbut the corner at the bottom of the hill is scary but not challenging (you could do about 60mph around there) and you've lost all your momentum by the time you get to the interesting corners. I can't say the hill felt any easier that way round either.

No, I'm an anticlockwise supporter (henceforth known as 'Orange Shirts'), through and through!

Velomobiles weren't designed for this sort of thing Yanto63!


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Posted By: Yanto63
Date Posted: 23 September 2010 at 7:57pm
Originally posted by GeoffBird GeoffBird wrote:

Velomobiles weren't designed for this sort of thing Yanto63!


They're not? Why am i wasting my time then? If the forecast is dry i might try the new (to me) toy!

As for direction, well, i've done it one way, so no problem trying the other - i fancy trying to hit 60mph!!!

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Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 23 September 2010 at 8:23pm
Clockwise please (I've done both ways).  I liked the hill climb last year, but felt that it should have had more hill to flat ratio.


Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 23 September 2010 at 9:14pm
Originally posted by GeoffBird GeoffBird wrote:


Yehbut the corner at the bottom of the hill is scary but not challenging (you could do about 60mph around there) and you've lost all your momentum by the time you get to the interesting corners. I can't say the hill felt any easier that way round either.

No, I'm an anticlockwise supporter (henceforth known as 'Orange Shirts'), through and through!

Velomobiles weren't designed for this sort of thing Yanto63!

going anti-clockwise that corner at the bottom (the real corner not the little curve where we started the hill climb) was very scarey last year, and I'd lost all speed by the time I got to it because I was slamming the brakes on to stop Paul Lowing  and Dave Larrington from having a correx enema! 
Then there was a very tedious serious of boring bends, that clockwise at least had some technical challenge to them on 3 wheels.. 

most exciting bit was working out a line through that first dropping bend that didn't ground the fairing out and allow me to keep 3 wheels on the floor. 

of course we could do the wiggly bit at the top for a change as part of the circuit, or even as a quick tt fun race.

Ian we know what new toy you've got, how can you resist from playing with it? 


Posted By: Yanto63
Date Posted: 23 September 2010 at 9:32pm
Originally posted by fards fards wrote:


Ian we know what new toy you've got, how can you resist from playing with it? 


You do who told you??

i don't think hoggy is the best place for first ever ride! i'm trying to find somewhere that is flat and smooth for more than 10feet so that i can set cranks properly!

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Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 23 September 2010 at 10:23pm
fards wrote "...and I'd lost all speed by the time I got to it because I was slamming the brakes on to stop Paul Lowing  and Dave Larrington from having a correx enema! "

Yes, slamming the brakes on would spoil the fun MeeoowwSmile

Yanto63 wrote "They're not? Why am i wasting my time then?"

I'm sure you'll still beat me anyway Ian...


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Posted By: Paul Lowing
Date Posted: 24 September 2010 at 9:56am
Originally posted by fards fards wrote:


...and I'd lost all speed by the time I got to it because I was slamming the brakes on to stop Paul Lowing  and Dave Larrington from having a correx enema! ...
 
A possibly unique new entry for the Big Book of Racing Excuses?  TongueSmile


Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 24 September 2010 at 10:59am
Originally posted by Paul Lowing Paul Lowing wrote:

Originally posted by fards fards wrote:


...and I'd lost all speed by the time I got to it because I was slamming the brakes on to stop Paul Lowing  and Dave Larrington from having a correx enema! ...

 

A possibly unique new entry for the Big Book of Racing Excuses?  TongueSmile


lol, could be!
although you were collecting bits of the shell as I went past.

either way it would be nice not to have a race where all I can smell for a good 1/3 of a lap is burning brake pad..


Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 24 September 2010 at 11:02am
to go back to my earlier query what about using the top section for a short first race of some description?


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 03 October 2010 at 8:47pm

Whoever is going to organise please remember that we have the AGM starting at 2pm so racing needs to be completed in good time for that....



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Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 03 October 2010 at 9:24pm
Originally posted by AlanGoodman AlanGoodman wrote:

Whoever is going to organise please remember that we have the AGM starting at 2pm so racing needs to be completed in good time for that....



Nobody's volunteered so far.  So maybe the racing bit won't take very long Evil Smile


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Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer


Posted By: homebrew
Date Posted: 03 October 2010 at 9:52pm
Questionjust wondering if its worth a 4 1/2 hr drive to hog hill
jon


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Posted By: Yanto63
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 7:21am
i'm not going, fed up with going to London & SE, weather looks rubbish (had enough of that at the double header in kent!), and Quest all set up for winter commuting now!

hope you all, have a good time!

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Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 3:06pm

Good point regarding the weather... I would imagine the corner at the bottom of the hill would be very... erm ... interesting in the wet...

Do we have a first aider for this event???


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Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 3:20pm
This being a staffed sports centre, I'd expect there to be qualified first aiders on site as a matter of course.

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Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 3:44pm
Thanks Adrian.
Would anybody like to volunteer to organise some racing prior to the AGM on Sunday (and thereby claim the power to decide race direction, duration etc)?


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Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 4:00pm
Originally posted by fards fards wrote:

have we got any takers for organising yet? 


I'd rather someone else volunteered, but if there's no takers I'll do it and we'll definitely go clockwise.. Evil Smile


I am supposed to be coming down, and hopefully testing the new fairing shape out! (if its finished by then)

so would rather someone else did do it, but otherwise I'll co-organate with someone else.  

However if everyone is wimping out 'cos rain might be  forecast, http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=uk7dayx7;page=7;type=free;ct=23724~Redbridge;sess=#forecast - it's not! 
maybe we'll only have enough people for one race anyway... 

I'm also first-aider, so will remember to throw my small kit in. 


Posted By: Yanto63
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 5:54pm
funny how weather forecasts (note: not predictions) can vary so much!!

Also funny reading about racing fires up the adrenal gland - i might come and race in my commuter - if i can get keys for big car so i can bring quest down on trailer, roof rack was ok - but!!

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Ian


Posted By: martinbguk
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 6:56pm
If someone can tell me what I need to organisate then I'l do it.
It'll be my first time doing it so everyone will be nice to me...


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Posted By: Crossie
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 8:21pm
Martin,
                    as this event will be the first that I have attended and hope to take part in next season's activities once this year's projects are ready to roll, I feel that I too should learn how the seamless organisating is carried out, so if you would like an apprenticeBig smile I'd be keen to assist you in any way,
 
Crossie


Posted By: Twed
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 9:06am
Sorry folks, I should have posted a note here earlier. We the Tweds have volunteed to organisate Hog Hill ....however if you feel the burning need to do it Anne for one will not be disappointed
If you are keen Martyn, I'd suggest a joint effort as more hands make lighter work
However, we do need to know who has what equipment and when they will be at the track.....and if the appropriate batteries have been charged?
I have not been to HH ....is there an indoor part that we can do the sign-on stuff (mains etc)?
What are the usual numbers at HH?....I am aware of the restricted timing, so we will need to be prompt and set the durations appropriately.


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Posted By: KevinJ
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 9:37am
There is a timing booth at the top of the hill - It is indoors and as far as I remember has power - so no problems there.  If you are using the camera then be prepared for it to be windy and it will need to be tied down in some way.  
I think gNick has the stuff, unless I am mistaken.


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Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 10:10am
the turn out isn't usually that bad, about the same as darley moor but not as many as Hillingdon. 

Hope your racing Twed, there's a small slope in the track, you'll love it :P



Posted By: Twed
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 12:35pm
It is indeed my intention to race.....I'll be bringing the YeloDonkey, still with Brands Hatch scars. Lets hope I don't add to them
I've been looking at the track layout ....WOW!.....multiple choice!!
I guess people would like to finish a reasonable time before the AGM....so the format should be short (which I assume is a good thing as I hear the course is not for riders who shy away from effort)

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Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 05 October 2010 at 8:28pm
Or live in places with no UP in them .. 

The top track looks good for a 1 lapper, athough it maybe tricky in a streamliner.
 Last year we had time for a hill climb ! and a 40+1 race and still people got dragged into the agm :P


Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 12:28pm
Originally posted by Yanto63 Yanto63 wrote:

weather looks rubbish
 
BBC are currently forecasting 19C and sunny, which would be nice


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Posted By: martinbguk
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 12:58pm
Originally posted by Twed Twed wrote:

If you are keen Martyn, I'd suggest a joint effort as more hands make lighter work  
I'm quite happy to help the Twed tribe at HH.
 
I was thinking that a 3 lap time trial on the lower circuit might be good plus a longer race.
Or...
20 minutes one way then trun around!
 
I'll start running now... LOL


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Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 1:05pm

Just to be completely different:

A freewheeling competition.  Start from the top of the hill (clockwise, I'd suggest), no pedalling allowed, the person who gets furthest round the track before they stop wins.
 
Not quite sure how "Human Powered" that is...


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Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 4:34pm
Originally posted by Adrian Setter Adrian Setter wrote:

Just to be completely different:

A freewheeling competition.  Start from the top of the hill (clockwise, I'd suggest), no pedalling allowed, the person who gets furthest round the track before they stop wins.
 
Not quite sure how "Human Powered" that is...
 
I like it!!
How do you tell if the streamliners are pedalling though?? Big smile


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Posted By: Paul Goodwin
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 6:17pm
Originally posted by AlanGoodman AlanGoodman wrote:

Originally posted by Adrian Setter Adrian Setter wrote:


Just to be completely different:


A freewheeling competition.  Start from the top of the hill (clockwise, I'd suggest), no pedalling allowed, the person who gets furthest round the track before they stop wins.

 

Not quite sure how "Human Powered" that is...


 

I like it!!

How do you tell if the streamliners are pedalling though?? Big smile


A zip-tie around a chain link would work, any pedalling should cut / break it.


Posted By: Yanto63
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 7:59pm
Originally posted by Adrian Setter Adrian Setter wrote:


A freewheeling competition. 
 

Not quite sure how "Human Powered" that is...



The human powered bit could be by having to ride, or more radical push it up the hill from a bottom start point, up the hill turn it round and coast back down! could be a combined inverse time multiplied by distance coasted...... Could be fun watching, especially watching people in cleats trying to push 75lbs of velomobile!

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Ian


Posted By: tosgh
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 8:01pm
Don't forget folks the main attraction, chocolate caramel shortbreadTongue

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Posted By: Yanto63
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 8:03pm
Originally posted by tosgh tosgh wrote:

Don't forget folks the main attraction, chocolate caramel shortbreadTongue


I'm on my way - that's a much better incentive than a boring old AGM!!

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Ian


Posted By: Rob
Date Posted: 06 October 2010 at 8:46pm
I have experience of Mr Sidwell's unconventional-but-effective hill climbing technique from Allegre. I'll dig out the photos if he misbehaves....


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Posted By: legs_larry
Date Posted: 07 October 2010 at 11:04am
Originally posted by Rob Rob wrote:

I have experience of Mr Sidwell's unconventional-but-effective hill climbing technique from Allegre. I'll dig out the photos if he misbehaves....


I recall Dr Sidwell's unconventional and briefly effective hill-descending technique from Pig Mountain last year.  I have a photo of the BLUD on the tarmac.


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Posted By: Twed
Date Posted: 07 October 2010 at 1:09pm
I have some ideas for the format....but was going to decide after I have a look at the lay of the land and the corners. Remember timing stuff needs to be at the same point....or volunteers to move it.
As intriguing as a 'roll-down' might be, the streamliners are going to spank everyone by a large margin .....so maybe a bit of fun at the end (time permitting).
Is there any way I can print off sign-on sheets before the event?

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Posted By: KevinJ
Date Posted: 07 October 2010 at 2:23pm
Someone will need to download the spreadsheet from the organisers area.  I will pm you a pdf that you will need to print out, to make it easier.

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Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 07 October 2010 at 9:49pm
Originally posted by KevinJ KevinJ wrote:

Someone will need to download the spreadsheet from the organisers area.  I will pm you a pdf that you will need to print out, to make it easier.


I'll do that to get the timing system up to date.


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Posted By: Yanto63
Date Posted: 09 October 2010 at 7:32pm
Can't make tomorrow - stuff happened!

Hope you all have a good time! and my vote at the AGM is YES!

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Ian


Posted By: Rob
Date Posted: 09 October 2010 at 7:34pm
Originally posted by Yanto63 Yanto63 wrote:

Can't make tomorrow - stuff happened!

You haven't dropped Quincy again have you???


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Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 09 October 2010 at 8:19pm
I'm not coming either due to a sore knee.  (exercise induced, not crash-induced).  I guess I can't vote by proxy as I do have a view on Mike Burrows' motion...


Posted By: KevinJ
Date Posted: 09 October 2010 at 8:45pm
What was MB's motion? (hmmm could be misinterpreted) but you know what I mean.

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Posted By: Yanto63
Date Posted: 09 October 2010 at 8:52pm
Originally posted by Rob Rob wrote:


Originally posted by Yanto63 Yanto63 wrote:

Can't make tomorrow - stuff happened!
You haven't dropped Quincy again have you???


No, have to take one of dogs to vets - last visit if you know what i mean, vet couldn't do it tonight!

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Posted By: KevinJ
Date Posted: 09 October 2010 at 9:02pm
Sympathies Ian Unhappy.  I won't be there either.  Anna is in hospital at the moment.  She has picked up an infection (which when your resistance is low from chemo is quite serious).  She was rushed into hospital on Monday and has been pumped full of antibiotics and fluids.  She is a lot better now and can now sit in a chair in the room though is still in an isolation ward and still on oxygen.  Hence we won't be there.  Good news is that she should hopefully be out of hospital on Tuesday.

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Posted By: Yanto63
Date Posted: 09 October 2010 at 9:13pm
Poor Anna. that's all she needs now! Pass on my regards to her please, and i hope she gets home soon!

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Posted By: Twed
Date Posted: 09 October 2010 at 9:14pm
Ouch ...tell her we were all asking after her, and glad she is improving. Errrmm, could I nab some of that oxygen for tomorrow

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Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 09 October 2010 at 9:38pm
Best wishes to Anna from us Kevin.

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Posted By: KevinJ
Date Posted: 09 October 2010 at 9:55pm
Sorry didn't mean to override the thread - just stating reality.  Thanks for all the good wishes.  As I said Anna has been  a lot better the last couple of days and can now sit in a chair (believe me that is a huge improvement - it is up from hereSmile)

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Posted By: KevinJ
Date Posted: 09 October 2010 at 9:57pm
As a final comment - she'd fail the drug testing due to the steroids she is taking at the moment.  Could have been the first drug disqualification in the BHPC Wink

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Posted By: Judith
Date Posted: 10 October 2010 at 5:54pm
Thanks to the Tweds, Martin B-G and anybody else who helped organise another lovely day's racing Clap

Cracking weather, Gromit!



Posted By: Yanto63
Date Posted: 10 October 2010 at 7:47pm
what was the outcome of MB's class motion?

It does look funny when context not known

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Posted By: Challenge Gus
Date Posted: 10 October 2010 at 7:53pm
Thanks to all for the great race at Hog Hill today, particularly Dave Goodman who gave me a cracking run right to the line. I look forward to seeing you all next season.
 
Gus
 
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Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 10 October 2010 at 8:05pm
Originally posted by Yanto63 Yanto63 wrote:

what was the outcome of MB's class motion?
 
It was rejected... Classes will remain unchanged next year.


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Posted By: dave
Date Posted: 10 October 2010 at 8:13pm
A great day indeed!
Absolutly NO thanks at all to Gus for making me push so bl*#dy hard to the line
Seriously,you made a great race of it, Gus. Thanks!

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Posted By: tosgh
Date Posted: 10 October 2010 at 8:25pm
Weather was incredible considering its October. Didn't expect too much as I haven't had any rides on the KC since Castle Coombe and I considered quitting every lap for the first five laps or so but good to see everyone and thanks to Nick and Judith for allowing us to take their second KC for Christine to own (and race on next year).Thumbs Up  oh and much thanks to the tweds for the running of the whole thingThumbs UpThumbs Up

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Posted By: madman
Date Posted: 10 October 2010 at 9:55pm
Thank-you to all who made it a good day

see some pics here
http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/gg8/bottlemasher/Bhpc%20Hog%20Hill%202010/



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Posted By: HeatherF
Date Posted: 11 October 2010 at 10:18am

Posted on behalf of Andrew

 
Many thanks to all for a great finish to the season. Congratulations to gNick for getting the results out so fast – being badgered to confirm my race results while still wandering round in a state of sweaty confusion was quite novel. Hog Hill deserves a better press than it gets – it’s not all about the hill. The second corner after the start is one of toughest we do all year (second only to the Shrewsbury hairpin) and the hairpin at the far end is almost as ‘technical’, as I believe they say. I’d miss it if it was dropped, and not just because Mike B isn’t there.

 

Does anyone know who was taking pics on the 2nd bend in the fast race, and if so if they’ll be posting them anywhere? They may have been wearing a light-blue shirt but by attention was largely distracted by staying on the bike at the time.

 

AndrewS



Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 11 October 2010 at 12:17pm

Dave was also singing the praises of Hog Hill this morning and saying he really hopes it remains on the race calendar... he thinks it's the best track we race on.

I'm sure this has nothing to do with the fact that he won the slow childrens first race... Big smile

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Posted By: Twed
Date Posted: 11 October 2010 at 1:18pm
So, you liked the weather I ordered?!
I have to thank all who mucked in to help the organising ....especially Martin and Nick (who was a much needed guide and user of things electric). It always seems more disorganised to the 'organisers'.
I was disappointed to not manage to fit in sprints too, but with so many new things to manage, limited time, and a feeling that all your energy would probably be needed for the race, that was sacrificed for a rest before the AGM.
I was so tired!! I had to keep active or I would have snoozed in the warmth of that room ....the journey back (M25)was aaaaaarrrrrrgh!!!

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Posted By: LeeW
Date Posted: 11 October 2010 at 1:42pm
Yep, hog hill is a good track, please keep it. It's different. I know some don't like the hill. I don't like the hairpin at Shrewsbury thus I simply don't bother with that race, you only get points from 8 anyhow.

Many thanks for another good day, maybe not a particularly great one for me (maybe I upset the p*nct*r* fairy somehow?) It could have been worse though had I stacked it on the main hill. Beany is OK but will require some work to prepare it for 2011.

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Posted By: tosgh
Date Posted: 11 October 2010 at 5:31pm
Lee has raised an important point: what type of track do we aim for, one that is challenging but  maybe deters people from going and thus lose revenue or go for tracks that attract good numbers but maybe not that exiting.

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Posted By: Yanto63
Date Posted: 11 October 2010 at 7:30pm
Originally posted by Yanto63 Yanto63 wrote:


No, have to take one of dogs to vets - last visit if you know what i mean, vet couldn't do it tonight!


Bloody vet cancelled appointment, dog rallied , i could have come racing

As for question about type of track/racing:- I think variety is the answer, a bit of everything, and as Lee says, you don't have to race em all!


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Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 11 October 2010 at 7:31pm
Originally posted by tosgh tosgh wrote:

Lee has raised an important point: what type of track do we aim for, one that is challenging but  maybe deters people from going and thus lose revenue or go for tracks that attract good numbers but maybe not that exiting.


Yes that's the key question.  I'm all for variety in our events.  I personally find the hill hard work, but I do my best to schedule races without reference to my personal preferences.  The objective fact is that racing turnout yesterday was low; I think the number I was told was 23.  What I don't know is the extent to which that's because people don't like the track and how much it might be that by the last meeting nearly all Championship issues are settled.  I know one serial class champion who stops racing entirely once the necessary points are in the bag. 

I do know a few people won't race at Hog Hill because it's too hilly, but I know some who won't go to Shrewsbury (hairpin too tight), Fowlmead (too far east), Lancaster (too far north), Castle Combe (2 hours is too long), etc.  I'm grateful for the positive feedback posted here since yesterday, which balances the often more vocal votes against it.  Please keep feedback coming, positive and negative, and for any venue you want to voice an opinion on.

Meanwhile, I'm having ago at analysing turnouts and considering giving Hog Hill one more go, but not right at the end of the season.


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 11 October 2010 at 8:47pm
Lancaster too far north ?? Not from where I'm sitting. Hog Hill is 210 miles each way, and at least 4.5 hours. Always happy to be there, since it is unlike any other track, and as others have said, the variety is important. Family circumstance has prevented me from actually racing the last two years, but that doesn't mean I haven't done the hill before (and with a 39/23 !)

I agree that the turnout was lower than we might like, so how about moving it to an earlier slot in the year ? And for those who can remember that far back, there were hills at Eastway, too Wink


Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 11 October 2010 at 9:39pm
Originally posted by rob gillions rob gillions wrote:

And for those who can remember that far back, there were hills at Eastway, too Wink


Glorified speed bumps relatively - though that may be my mind fading....





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Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 11 October 2010 at 10:22pm
I'm tempted to organise a winter race before christmas (if the weather holds up) to see what solihull is like if anyone fancies it. 

I like Hoghill, I still stand by my opinion that clockwise is a lot more fun, but I'd rather go there than hillingdon twice (Despite numbers) 


Posted By: Twed
Date Posted: 11 October 2010 at 10:34pm
Fading?....I think it has had a blackout!
Having raced Eastway for many years, including in the YeloDonkey, I can safely say it was hard ....but no where near the effort of HH with 58/28 (I've never changed the gearing).
Buuuuttt.....I love the track.....I have never braked so hard, leant so much and nearly been off (at least 4 serious attempts) the track so much in one race ...brilliant!!   
I was so far over on the hairpin I couldn't see the run-off ...which was impossible to judge at all through the second corner.
I so want to try that track clockwise

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Posted By: LeeW
Date Posted: 11 October 2010 at 10:45pm
I was just able to get up on 60x28 front and 24x18 final drive (~52" gear). How slasher got up it last year on 60x25 and a 30x18 final drive (~72" gear) I have no idea.

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Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 11 October 2010 at 10:53pm
As I've said before, I love this track and I'm useless at climbing hills - that just encourages me to be braver in the fast corners, so that I don't have to do a sprint finish up the hill Dead. Unfortunately Gerry was brave in the fast corners and fast up the hill, so won the Street Class by a well deserved margin Clap.

My fave corner is the one before the hairpin - powering through there on the right line is a real thrill, and you never know if you're on the right line til the track opens out infront of you.

Being sub-athlete (by some margin), I'd never manage that hill on a bike with standard race-gearing though...

I'd like to add my thanks to the Tweds, Martin and gNick for organising. And to the committee for their valliant efforts over the previous year, and especially Heather for being such an efficient treasurer for so many years.

I felt there was a really good atmosphere of mutual respect and shared direction at this year's AGM - Will hopefully be a good year ahead for the club.


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Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 11 October 2010 at 11:41pm
next time Geoff you'll have to make the bribe bigger and then I won't avoid Gerry by hurtling off the track. Ouch


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 12 October 2010 at 12:09am
It was REALLY good to see Richard back and looking so well at Hog Hill... Thumbs Up
 
Originally posted by fards fards wrote:

I'm tempted to organise a winter race before christmas (if the weather holds up) to see what solihull is like if anyone fancies it. 
 
 
Solihull worked really well for the pedal car race and I'd really like to have a play there on two wheels...
 
 


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Posted By: HeatherF
Date Posted: 12 October 2010 at 9:40am
Originally posted by fards fards wrote:

I'm tempted to organise a winter race before christmas (if the weather holds up) to see what solihull is like if anyone fancies it. 
 
Posted on behalf of Andrew
 

Hot plan Ian. I’d certainly be interested in an out-of-season visit to Solihull as a good chance to try out the new Ratty. Before Christmas sounds good – maybe we could add in the proposed charity do for the Royal Marsden, esp since Solihull is reasonably central for a lot of people.

 

AndrewS



Posted By: graydog
Date Posted: 12 October 2010 at 10:00am
count me in to..... K3 or CSI will do


Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 12 October 2010 at 10:52am
I'd be up for a winter rv


Posted By: jes@gcre
Date Posted: 12 October 2010 at 11:06am
Me too if the date worked out - might be an incentive to do a bit of cycling in the off season as well.

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Posted By: Yanto63
Date Posted: 12 October 2010 at 8:17pm
Originally posted by fards fards wrote:

I'm tempted to organise a winter race before christmas (if the weather holds up) to see what solihull is like if anyone fancies it. 


If timing and weather ok i'm up for it, probably only chance i'll have to play with "cut 'n' shut" before real racing commences next year!

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 12 October 2010 at 10:19pm
Here are some HH pics http://www.flickr.com/photos/bhpclub/sets/72157625151248706/ - http://www.flickr.com/photos/bhpclub/sets/72157625151248706/
If you would like full quality print files, contact me. 


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 12 October 2010 at 10:26pm
Originally posted by jes@gcre jes@gcre wrote:

Me too if the date worked out - might be an incentive to do a bit of cycling in the off season as well.
Ummm - we don't race in the off season because there isn't much chance of decent weather. Remember Foulmede? We used to have an early season indoor velodrome event. If there is one available (probably Newport) we could try it again. I would turn up. There isn't a real reason to be scared of velodromes. It just takes a bit of care.


Posted By: martinbguk
Date Posted: 13 October 2010 at 8:36pm
My first couple of laps at S****orpe were a bit wobbly but after that it was just peddle like crazy and the bends and banking became a non event.
If you've never tried a velodrome, do it, I found it exhilarating. 
I'd be up for an indoor velo meet as well.


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Posted By: Rob
Date Posted: 13 October 2010 at 8:39pm
S****orpe doesn't count, neither does Welyn or Reading - it is pretty much flat!
Manchester and Meadowbank are (were?) much more exciting, especially on a trike...
Manchester is 43 degrees through the turns isn't it?



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Posted By: martinbguk
Date Posted: 13 October 2010 at 8:43pm
now you are just scaring me...




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Posted By: Rob
Date Posted: 13 October 2010 at 8:47pm
Originally posted by Rob Rob wrote:

S****orpe doesn't count

Hey, which 5-year-old has set up some dodgy software to bleep out rude words in place names?
Can I say Penistone? Or Nempnet Thrubwell? Wombwell?
Or do we have to say S-vagina-orpe???
Grow up!
Rob


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Posted By: Neil
Date Posted: 13 October 2010 at 9:39pm
Originally posted by Rob Rob wrote:

Originally posted by Rob Rob wrote:

S****orpe doesn't count

Hey, which 5-year-old has set up some dodgy software to bleep out rude words in place names?
Can I say Penistone? Or Nempnet Thrubwell? Wombwell?
Or do we have to say S-vagina-orpe???
Grow up!
Rob
 
If you dont like the dodgy software Rob feel free to use sites that use other software. I also suggest remembering that the mods and admins work hard to keep this place free from the rubbish filling up most of the internet and safe for everyone. Yes - sometimes we need to tweak things so it allows scunthorpe but did it warrant that post ? The problem has only appeared to some improvements made to the bad word filter - normally we catch these things but not always.
 
I think perhaps you need to think very carefully about the content of your next post, and no the word you need to use in that post is not in the bad word filter.
 
Neil


Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 13 October 2010 at 9:42pm
Originally posted by Rob Rob wrote:

Hey, which 5-year-old has set up some dodgy software to bleep out rude words
Actually Rob, its quite a phenomenon for the people of that parish, they have quite a lot of trouble with it I heard.  In real life the Scun!horpe people are not at all foul mouthed, that is no more than the rest of usWink


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 13 October 2010 at 9:51pm
Originally posted by Rob Rob wrote:

Originally posted by Rob Rob wrote:

S****orpe doesn't count

Hey, which 5-year-old has set up some dodgy software to bleep out rude words in place names?
Can I say Penistone? Or Nempnet Thrubwell? Wombwell?
Or do we have to say S-vagina-orpe???
Grow up!
Rob
 
A bit strong to say the least!!


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Posted By: Rob
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 6:59am
If you find that offensive you guys really do need to get out more!



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Posted By: Neil
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 8:20am
Originally posted by Rob Rob wrote:

If you find that offensive you guys really do need to get out more!

No Rob - YOU need to think before you post in future. Having first re-read the forum rules.
 
 
Please make sure you do!!!!


Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 9:29am

re: S****thorpe, this arose recently in a post I made to the Committee forum.

I replaced it with "Sbunthorpe", which gave me a couple of minutes gleeful nostalgia for the "I can't pronounce the letter B" sketch


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Posted By: LeeW
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 9:53am
The Scunthrope problem is well known, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scunthorpe_problem - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scunthorpe_problem

Some forum software also suffers from the http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2667634/The-Clbuttic-Mistake-When-obscenity-filters-go-wrong.html - Clbuttic mistake

President Abraham Lincoln was buttbuttinated by an armed buttailant after a life devoted to the reform of the US consbreastution.

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Posted By: KevinJ
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 10:25am
Originally posted by Lee Lee wrote:

President Abraham Lincoln was buttbuttinated
I've always thought buttbuttination is one of the worst ways to go Shocked


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Posted By: legs_larry
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 10:47am
Scunthorpe
Chardonnay
Lightwater
Parser
Sniggering
Crapstone
Wetwang
Shatton
Piddle Trenthide
Upper Dicker
Slaggyford
Clitheroe
Penistone
Cockermouth
Screwdriver
Constituency
Essex
Puncture
Piers Morgan

Hmmm.  I think The Invigilator needs servicing LOL



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Posted By: Gerry
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 12:29pm
This thread seems to be wandering.
I'd like to get back to Hog Hill and thank all the people who organised. I'd also like to add my opinion and say I would definately like to see this track on the schedule for next year. Its the most exciting track to ride. The Hill is a challenge and the fast downhill bends a great reward, very exciting. It may benifit by being earlier in the season, that is a hard hill when many of the prizes have already been decided.
The idea of a winter race sounds great to me, I have a new toy and can't wait to play with it.
Gerry


Posted By: tosgh
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 12:55pm
I did not get the results on the day (must have been busy talking to Keith prior top the AGM). Are they going to be posted soon?

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Posted By: Neil
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 1:16pm
Sorry been a bit busy - I will post them tonight



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