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Topic: 2007 Dates
Posted By: David Hudson
Subject: 2007 Dates
Date Posted: 31 December 2006 at 12:58pm
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Any news of the 2007 dates yet please?
------------- David Hudson Milton Keynes Trice Q Bacchetta Giro 26 Dawes Galaxy Specialized Secteur Comp Bacchetta Giro 26 ATT Orange P7 Dawes Galaxy Specialized Secteur |
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Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 02 January 2007 at 11:27am
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Please bear with me a little while longer - we have some but I am waiting to hear from others... ------------- gNick "I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles" |
Posted By: PaulC
Date Posted: 13 January 2007 at 10:54am
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gNick, would it be rude to ask for the dates that you do know? I promise not to badger for the unconfirmed ones. Thanks, Paul |
Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 13 January 2007 at 5:29pm
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Yes it is rude, they are secret known only to the highest in the land. OK alright stop hitting me I'll let you know what I have to date... A couple of extras, the AGM date and place hasn't been set, we have 2 weekend events and I have just heard that the Castle Combe that we were sharing with the pedal cars has been canceled - things still to do. The story so far... Sun 22nd April - Hillingdon Sun 13th May - Newport, South Wales Sun 10th June - Castle Combe (from 2.00pm)
Sun 1st July - Darley Moor, Ashbourne Sat 21st July - Lancaster Sun 22nd July - Preston Sat 11th August - Shrewsbury and social rides Sun 12th August - Aldersley, Wolverhampton 31st August-2nd September - Norfolk Social Tour Sun 16th September - Quibell Park, Scunthorpe
Sun 30th September - Curborough (Sun 14th October - Royal Docks London - not yet confirmed) ------------- gNick "I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles" |
Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 13 January 2007 at 5:41pm
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gNick wrote:Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 13 January 2007 at 9:31pm
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Availability I'm afraid, at least they aren't on the same weekend! Castle Combe was supposed to have been early April, do people want me to find another early April event or shall I put things in later? ------------- gNick "I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles" |
Posted By: Hadden
Date Posted: 13 January 2007 at 10:24pm
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Hi gNick. I'm not sure if the Norfolk tour is the one I am planning on organising or another. But those dates are when I will be Probabily be in Taiwan for the Start of our world speed sailing record attempt. ------------- Simon Sanderson. |
Posted By: easyracer
Date Posted: 14 January 2007 at 9:08am
Sorry to be a pain gNick but is Castle Combe totally cancelled, or is it just the date you had in mind, so they may be rescheduled? I only ask as I was going to finally go to Castle Combe and participate at one of your races, after years of going there just to watch. 
And it was my closest event! 
andy |
Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 14 January 2007 at 5:15pm
They were the dates I was given by one of your Norfolk compatriots - best let me know when it is actually going to be... ------------- gNick "I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles" |
Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 14 January 2007 at 5:17pm
No idea, I only found out too late to contact them on Friday. I will let you know as and when I find out. I will try to get us in again later in the year. ------------- gNick "I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles" |
Posted By: Hadden
Date Posted: 14 January 2007 at 6:15pm
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gNick.I will get back to you. I was waiting for the race dates to plan round. Next I will check for availiabilty of accomodation. Camping,double and family rooms a hostel and 6 man tipis! It gets buisy around local events. You can check it out at www.deepdalefarm.co.uk
------------- Simon Sanderson. |
Posted By: LeeW
Date Posted: 14 January 2007 at 7:45pm
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Is there going to be a Quibal Park race? ------------- Current fleet: Milan SL MK2 #027, Fujin SL II, Beany! |
Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 15 January 2007 at 10:31am
Not currently - the track condition was poor, there are a number of safety issues and the marshall requirement is high. ------------- gNick "I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles" |
Posted By: LeeW
Date Posted: 15 January 2007 at 2:52pm
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Condition is poor??
I think the surface condition is great, it was resurfaced last year and is much better than welwyn (or any any other track I have ridden apart from maybe manchester and newport), are you thinking of pre-refurbishment days? What marshalls are needed? What are the saftey issues, the fence was replaced during the refurbishment? I posted some pictures of the refurbishment in another thread, not sure if you saw them. ------------- Current fleet: Milan SL MK2 #027, Fujin SL II, Beany! |
Posted By: antony
Date Posted: 15 January 2007 at 2:58pm
The intended date is no longer available due to the circuit putting on additional (motorsport) races this year. We (pedal cars) could have had the following Sunday - starting the set up after 2pm when the car boot sale had finished and ending at dusk - or a date in July. Obviously a BHPC race on the circuit, as opposed to a pedal car race around the paddock, might be possible during a car boot sale, but you'd have to ask the circuit! ------------- Deja mu: The feeling you've heard this bull before |
Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 15 January 2007 at 3:18pm
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And Castle Combe is back on, on Sunday 10th June from 2.00 after the Car Boot. We have done this before so some will know how we do it but details will be posted when I get the whole lot done.
Lee, regarding Quibal Park, have they moved the gateway, the lighting posts, and are there fences to prevent any man/chav and his dog from trying to walk/drive along/across the circuit?
I am unhappy about circuits with high levels of access from the general public since the danger of public injury is higher. Before anyone makes a comment, yes I know Salt Ayre has lots of access but it isn't in the middle of housing so though we do get people to aim at there aren't that many.
For the same reason we don't use the Hetton Lyons circuit, which is one of the better UK circuits, since the behaviour of some locals just make it unfeasible to use without a large number of marshalls.
------------- gNick "I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles" |
Posted By: David Hudson
Date Posted: 15 January 2007 at 3:40pm
 Did you mean 10th June?------------- David Hudson Milton Keynes Trice Q Bacchetta Giro 26 Dawes Galaxy Specialized Secteur Comp Bacchetta Giro 26 ATT Orange P7 Dawes Galaxy Specialized Secteur |
Posted By: LeeW
Date Posted: 15 January 2007 at 4:07pm
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There is a fence all around the outside of the circuit, this is made from a mesh with bars going horizontally so if someone hits it there is less chance of getting hurt. There is only one gate to access the circuit and I don't think the general public are allowed on the circuit itself. The one gate is in the same place as it was before but is made with the same mesh as the rest of the fencing. The lighting posts are outside the outside fence so there should not be much problem with them. There was a thread with some pictures a few months back.
EDIT: pictures here http://www.bhpc.org.uk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=908 ------------- Current fleet: Milan SL MK2 #027, Fujin SL II, Beany! |
Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 15 January 2007 at 5:55pm
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Arghhh
I am getting my circuits confused...apologies all round
Right, back in the land of the living, the only thing would be the number of velodromes, there are currently 2 booked, Newport and Aldersley both of which are reasonably(!) banked. We have, for the last few years been going to Reading which provides a (considerably) shallower alternative.
Now I don't think we really want to be doing 4 velodromes so it really comes down to which ones people would like to try., Reading or Quibell Park (apparently the fastest outdoor velodrome in Europe)
Personally I would prefer Quibell since its location is much more suited to those of us what live an appreciable distance away from Greater London.
What do you jolly boys and girls think? ------------- gNick "I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles" |
Posted By: graydog
Date Posted: 15 January 2007 at 6:49pm
| some one said Cardiff has been surfaced, any good if it has or is it just toooo far West? |
Posted By: PaulC
Date Posted: 15 January 2007 at 6:54pm
| For gNicks poll, I think that Quibell Park looks pretty good. |
Posted By: Paul Lowing
Date Posted: 15 January 2007 at 7:18pm
| Where is Quibell exactly? It has to be more exciting than Reading (which is dull in my opinion) and inconveniently sited (from my point of view). |
Posted By: koko85
Date Posted: 15 January 2007 at 7:21pm
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http://www.runtrackdir.com/details.asp?track=scunthorpe
Are these details correct for Quibell? I would prefer Reading, but that is purely because I live (reasonably) close. |
Posted By: LeeW
Date Posted: 15 January 2007 at 7:24pm
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Quibell is here http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?GridE=487600&GridN=410400&scale=25000&title=Multimap - http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?GridE=487600&GridN=410400&scale=25000&title=Multimap
Easy access from motorway network via the M181 The M181 is a pathetic motorway, see http://www.pathetic.org.uk/motorways/m181.shtml - http://www.pathetic.org.uk/motorways/m181.shtml ------------- Current fleet: Milan SL MK2 #027, Fujin SL II, Beany! |
Posted By: Hadden
Date Posted: 16 January 2007 at 10:51am
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gNick we had set the Norfolk social tour for 31st Aug to 2ad Sept at Deepdale farm. I have booked the Granary barn hostel for the friday and saterday night and sunday daytime. It sleeps 18 in 6+6+4+2 rooms and has a kitchen,drying room,showers and large social room to base the event. Aproximate cost £30 per person for the weekend. Camping and additional rooms can be booked separately. It is 10 min from the beach,5 min from the harbough and 2km off cycle route 1. As well as some cycling we are planing some canoing, a trip to Scolt Head Island and a trip to the Famous Lord Nelson Pub to sample the infamous Nelsons Blood. Accommodation details at www.deepdalefarm.co.uk ------------- Simon Sanderson. |
Posted By: Hadden
Date Posted: 16 January 2007 at 11:09am
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Bookings now being taken. or request for more information at socialwknd@msn.com or call 07831 134 031 Simon.
------------- Simon Sanderson. |
Posted By: Yowie
Date Posted: 17 January 2007 at 12:43pm
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And our wonderful excuse for a national railway network, see |
Posted By: Anne
Date Posted: 21 January 2007 at 4:33pm
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Well we aren't exactly avid racers these days but we would go to scunthorpe to race as it is just down the road from Neil's mum. Anne |
Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 21 January 2007 at 4:51pm
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Will talk to Quibell next week, otherwise the list has expanded with Curborough now also in. Check the front page.
------------- gNick "I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles" |
Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 26 January 2007 at 4:04pm
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Right, the list has now been updated, I am waiting confirmation of the last one, which is why it is in brackets, but otherwise all is now set. I will no doubt be proved wrong in the next day or so!
PLEASE NOTE, Hillingdon has MOVED to the 22nd of April ------------- gNick "I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles" |
Posted By: jes@gcre
Date Posted: 26 January 2007 at 4:22pm
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Royal Docks, London?
Care to elaborate?
Sounds fun. ------------- Racing is life... Anything which happens before or afterwards is just standing around waiting to race.... |
Posted By: antony
Date Posted: 26 January 2007 at 4:25pm
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See http://www.bhpc.org.uk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1064&PID=10378#10378 - this thread ------------- Deja mu: The feeling you've heard this bull before |
Posted By: NickM
Date Posted: 27 January 2007 at 1:30pm
Hooray! We couldn't make the 29th, but we can make the 22nd. Organisers wanted? We can oblige... it's almost our home circuit. Nick and Judith |
Posted By: Nikki
Date Posted: 10 April 2007 at 8:58pm
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With the races fast approching is there anyone from the brighton/south area going to the london races or if any of the other races and is able to give myself a lift(no bike included)
For any offers please pm me. Thanks ------------- Just Dilli Dalliing along |
Posted By: Pedaldog
Date Posted: 11 April 2007 at 8:48pm
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On the "Devil take the hindmost" would it be rude for somebody I know that is VERY slow due to disability to start, might not even make a full lap but would love to just do it. Thoughts? ------------- At the pace of sailing ships and bicycles. |
Posted By: Rob
Date Posted: 11 April 2007 at 8:58pm
And just for a laugh the entire field lap and overtake him and are disqualified just leaving your mate to come in first! Ha! Rob ------------- -- Rob, Westcountry Recumbents http://www.wrhpv.com http://mullimages.com http://glydearoundbritain.blogspot.com |
Posted By: Pedaldog
Date Posted: 13 April 2007 at 7:07pm
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Hey Rob, I think you might know the, shall we say "Fairly robust", mate that I am referring to from a visit to Hullands a year or two back? ------------- At the pace of sailing ships and bicycles. |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 13 April 2007 at 11:33pm
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If we stopped people racing just because they are slow then our race meetings would be very quiet...
Stick him in the slower of the points races as well as the Devil... If nothing else the Juniors like to have an adult or two they can keep up with... Bet he ends up grinning like the rest of us. And probably lapping me... ------------- |
Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 15 May 2007 at 8:22am
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Ladles and Jellymen,
As some of you may well be aware the circuit at the Royal Docks is now not happening so we have a slot at the end of the season.
What do people think about what we should do?
There are 2 London circuits, Hillingdon and Herne Hill both of which are currently a bit short of facilities and we are already doing 3 velodromes this season. There are various circuits around the country that are possibilities but before Igo ahead and book one, it would be nice to know that people will actually come to the event!
Could people please get me their opinions in the near future so I can get something booked ------------- gNick "I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles" |
Posted By: NickM
Date Posted: 15 May 2007 at 8:51am
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An good opportunity to try a circuit we haven't used before?
How about Bryn Bach, near Tredegar? Modest circuit hire fee, attractive setting...
http://www.bhpc.org.uk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=978 - http://www.bhpc.org.uk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=978
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Posted By: dave
Date Posted: 15 May 2007 at 9:27am
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Another one for us down south would be good, Hillingdon is always well attended! ------------- I want to give peace, love and kisses out to this whole stinking world! |
Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 15 May 2007 at 9:30am
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Posted By: Hadden
Date Posted: 15 May 2007 at 9:32am
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Nick. I have been talking to the track hire and PR woman at Rockingham Forest Motor Speedway to see if I could get some testing on our new fully Faired HPV when It's finished on their road circuit. They said they might be able to fit me in a 40-50 min slot some time. They asked if we had events and what we did so I explained and gave them our web site address. It would make a nice venue for a race. www.rockingham.co.uk
------------- Simon Sanderson. |
Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 15 May 2007 at 10:20am
The problem with Rockingham is that if you want it for a weekend event you are in competition with the motorsport boys.
When we were looking for alternate suitable venues to Brighton we did conside Rockingham but the cost was astronomical. One measure was they asked how many thousand spectators we expected! Nice venue but we would definitely need a sugar daddy! ------------- gNick "I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles" |
Posted By: LeeW
Date Posted: 15 May 2007 at 11:00am
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I'm hoping to get to twyford woods soon (nr grantham A1) to see if it is sutible for a race, hard to tell surface condition from pictures. ------------- Current fleet: Milan SL MK2 #027, Fujin SL II, Beany! |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 15 May 2007 at 11:20am
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Hillingdon would get my vote...
As good as any circuit I've been to apart from Preston... As Dave said, it always gets a good turnout... ------------- |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 15 May 2007 at 11:22am
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For a bit of variation, what about running the points races the wrong way around (I didn't go out in the fun race so maybe somebody who did could say whether that might be dangerous for the streamliners??) ------------- |
Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 15 May 2007 at 1:09pm
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Not dangerous really - depends on the snow and ice! ------------- gNick "I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles" |
Posted By: richforrest
Date Posted: 15 May 2007 at 1:12pm
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Milton Keynes?
Rich. |
Posted By: graydog
Date Posted: 15 May 2007 at 4:47pm
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Darwin any one?
only ask coz if we're changing it thats where I should be
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Posted By: antony
Date Posted: 15 May 2007 at 5:17pm
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If it's any help, there's a long-ish kart track at Wombwell (near Sheffield) that can only be noisy once or twice a month and already hosts some cycling-type events on occasion. The surface is brilliant and there's a good mix of corners and straights.
We'd have gone there ourselves a couple of years back but for a problem getting the exact date we needed (to avoid clashing with GCSEs) ------------- Deja mu: The feeling you've heard this bull before |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 15 May 2007 at 7:29pm
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How about Preston park ?
http://www.runtrackdir.com/details.asp?track=brighton-pp |
Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 15 May 2007 at 8:27pm
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another option http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/web/site/BC/clu/News2006/20060606_hengrove_park.asp - Hengrove Park, Bristol Howie do you know anything about this one? Sounds like a multi-track dream to me ... |
Posted By: jes@gcre
Date Posted: 15 May 2007 at 11:29pm
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Not great.
Problems with people throwing things onto the track and such like and no facilities.
Not particularly interesting as a track from most reports as well.
Mind you, "5 bends in 250metres" sounds promising! ------------- Racing is life... Anything which happens before or afterwards is just standing around waiting to race.... |
Posted By: antony
Date Posted: 15 May 2007 at 11:57pm
I knew I'd done a track plan at some previous time: 
The hairpin bend is no tighter than Shrewsbury's, if memory serves, plus it's the highest point of the track (as opposed to Shrewsbury's, which is pretty much at the lowest point!) so would be approached slightly slower than Shrewsbury's. The track is pretty much flat for the most part, only the long straights having a minor gradient. Track length about half a mile / 800m; the shortcut is normally closed with tyre walls (for obvious karting reasons!). And there's a physical barrier (tyres and big earth bank) between the two straights, also for obvious karting reasons. Big car park*, toilets, signing-on room, power; all just a few miles (of dual carriageway) from M1 j36. *But not secure, being beside a former railway that's now a foot/cyclepath. Just keep the car locked... ------------- Deja mu: The feeling you've heard this bull before |
Posted By: HeatherF
Date Posted: 16 May 2007 at 9:13pm
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Don't forget to ask about cost!! Income and outgoings etc.
Just to note that Hillingdon had 45 racers and cost £95; Newport had 14 racers and cost £300 Heather |
Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 16 May 2007 at 11:17pm
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Fards wrote: "another option http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/web/site/BC/clu/News2006/20060606_hengrove_park.asp - Hengrove Park, Bristol Howie do you know anything about this one? "
The second ever BHPC event I went to was at Hengrove. I rode my newly completed Mk 1 recumbent there from Bath. I think it was the last time the BHPC used it. IIRC someone dug a hole in it, or something. Don't remember it being outstanding... ------------- Right Time - Right Place - Wrong Speed |
Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 17 May 2007 at 8:35am
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Hengrove's facilities were only bushes....
And looking at the BC link there isn't access for parking next to the circuit. ------------- gNick "I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles" |
Posted By: Alistair
Date Posted: 17 May 2007 at 12:55pm
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It's also an area that's been in the local news recently for youths setting fire to anything and everything.
Sadly including someone's car containing two dogs whilst the owner went to a car boot sale.
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Posted By: KeithD
Date Posted: 18 May 2007 at 7:34am
How about the Quennevais sports centre http://www.ccc.je/RoadRacing/2007Results/Easter2007/CR8apr07.aspx - track ?
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Posted By: antony
Date Posted: 19 May 2007 at 1:09pm
We (BPCC) were quoted £150 all in for Wombwell (use of buildings, water, power and toilets included), two years ago. And told by the track secretary that she'd "like to see it in use every weekend" because it's there and it's a shame to have it stood doing nothing when it can't be noisy. That was based on all-day use, i.e. 6 hours of race with access for a couple of hours either side for arrival and departure stuff. So the cost for a couple of 40-60 minute races might be negotiable (downwards!). Or it might not! None of which makes the blindest difference if your desired date isn't available or "just north of Sheffield" is deemed to be too far away from too many people to be worth a try. But from inspection it looks like a lovely circuit. ------------- Deja mu: The feeling you've heard this bull before |
Posted By: jes@gcre
Date Posted: 22 May 2007 at 9:40am
Because there is something very troubling to my heart.
In all the years that we've been friends, England and Jersey, they have never invited us to thier house for tea and cakes, coffee, a gnu... ------------- Racing is life... Anything which happens before or afterwards is just standing around waiting to race.... |
Posted By: antony
Date Posted: 22 May 2007 at 9:58am
In an attempt to find an track plan / aerial photo, I went looking for the postcode of the track. I found this address on the gov.je site: Education, Sport and Culture PO Box 142 Highlands Campus Jersey JE4 8QJ (Admittedly, not the venue, but it's a start) Put that postcode into google maps and it has no idea. Put it into multimap and you get a location about 50 miles west of the Scilly Isles. So it might get declared a wet race... More amusingly, although multimap will happily assure you that that's the location you're looking for, ask it for direections (from anywhere) and it tells you it can't navigate to your chosen destination. ------------- Deja mu: The feeling you've heard this bull before |
Posted By: KeithD
Date Posted: 24 May 2007 at 10:31pm
Could only find one aerial photo - from google earth so it's a bit fuzzy:
Here's the http://homepage.mac.com/jobank/QuennevaisTrack.kml - kml file if you want the tour of the 1 mile circuit. As for jersey postcodes and somewhere west of the Scilly Isles - it would explain why the post to the UK takes so long! Jes - you're welcome to pop in any time. |
Posted By: antony
Date Posted: 25 May 2007 at 9:38am
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Looks nice!
Finally found it - search maps.google.co.uk for "Les Quennevais, St Brelade, Jersey" Handy for the airport... ------------- Deja mu: The feeling you've heard this bull before |
Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 13 July 2007 at 12:34pm
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I'm trying to plan some of my non-racing weekends (mostly involving even more BEER than weekend away at a BHPC race entails), and if the Comp.Sec. has answers to a couple of questions, they would help the process. 1) There has been talk of a final race at Herne Hill. Is this happening or, if we don't know for sure, how likely is it to happen? When would it be? And would it be for POINTS?
2) The "Results so far page" indicates that each rider's worst four results will be dropped again this year. Is this correct? And will it be correct whether or not there's a Herne Hill (or other additional) race? ------------- Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer |
Posted By: gNick
Date Posted: 14 July 2007 at 10:35am
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There will be a last race though whether at Herne Hill or Hillingdon or on the river at Henley, is yet to be sorted. Cost might have a part to play here.
I would have thought that it ought to be a points event since we haven't said it wouldn't so points it is by precedent.
If you want to keep 4 drops then it will have to be a points event.
Will be back in the UK in a weeks time (currently suffering from Fjords and scary beer prices in Norway) and will get it sorted then. ------------- gNick "I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles" |
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 14 July 2007 at 2:35pm
Hillingdon would get my vote if we had a choice....  ------------- |
Posted By: NickM
Date Posted: 14 July 2007 at 7:21pm
| Mine too! |
Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 9:28am
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Good to hear there 'will' be another race. Even with that we're still one down on the usual 12-race programme - not good for those of us not venturing to foreign parts this year. On the other hand, a good year for those of lacking a sensible bike due to major mechanical failure... Despite a natural interest in the 'on the river' option I too would vote for Hillingdon, if the choice exists. |
Posted By: fards
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 10:53am
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Yeah, I'm waiting for more details on the river option, sounds erm wet?
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Posted By: Adrian Setter
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 8:00pm
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Another "me too" for Hillingdon...
------------- Challenge Hurricane - MicWic Delta (Front half) - Burrows Ratracer |
Posted By: Neil F
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 10:08pm
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Hillingdon rather than Herne Hill. Unless things have changed the organisers at Herne Hill are prone to cancel any racing if the track is in anyway damp. I wouldn't like to bet on good weather for the last race of the season.
Henly could be interesting though. |
Posted By: dave
Date Posted: 15 July 2007 at 10:10pm
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Three more votes for Hillingdon from Hollie, Liam and Me! ------------- I want to give peace, love and kisses out to this whole stinking world! |