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Andrew S
Admin Group
Joined: 14 March 2005
Location: Hornsea, UK
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Points: 2433
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Posted: 30 May 2005 at 9:00pm |
KevinJ wrote:
it does not seem unreasonable that people take a
couple of minutes of time to check them on the day. That way the
result is finalised at the event! ... Maybe we can find a
standard way of displaying these so people know where to look? |
Kevin - Having on-the-spot results is one of the best things to happen
since I started going to BHPC races (and I'm sure the long-suffering
Larry the Legs will agree). However it will take a race or two for
people to get used to quibbling on the day and a regular arrangement
would help, eg an announcement at the start of the race along the lines
of 'The results will be available from the 'Race Control' car 15
minutes after the end of the race - please take a copy and check your
placing.'
Re: race numbers/length. I personally prefer 40 min to 30 min races,
and I agree with DavidH that the Hayes track could cope with larger
numbers (whereas Preston probably can't). However, I'm more than happy
to let the organisators do what they're (not) paid to do, and am only
commenting since you invited comments.
AndrewS
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Quam celerime.
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AlanGoodman
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Club Chairman
Joined: 04 March 2005
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Posted: 30 May 2005 at 9:13pm |
I think with hindsight 3 races would have been a better bet and might have given us time to run some fun races.
The problem we had was that at well past 11:00 we had 40-odd riders and a steady stream of people still turning up. We had to make a decision on the number of races allowing for the number of riders to grow a bit... If we could get people into the habit of turning up on time it would be a lot easier all round for people organising the events.
Alan.
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Fiona G
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Joined: 28 March 2005
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Posted: 30 May 2005 at 9:42pm |
We've had the same trouble at Lancaster, Alan, especially on Cyclefest years, when you get a lot of newcomers. It's easy to end up with too many in the last race. Probably best to put slightly more in the fast races as although speeds are higher they tend to be experienced racers.
I don't think Preston is too bad - it's fairly narrow but has very few blind corners and a good surface.
Geoff
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Fiona G
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Posted: 30 May 2005 at 10:02pm |
PS:At the events we did a couple of years ago with a laptop (Fiona did most of the hard work) we posted the entrants for each race and the results after the races, on a whiteboard, which is owned by the club. I think Ian C has it in the back of his van at present. We also used the club gazebo, which acts as a good visible rallying point.
The problem is that you don't want people asking you where the toilet is or which way round to wear their helmet when you are trying to enter the details of 58 racers onto a laptop! My system was much more clunky than Kevin's by the way...
Geoff
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KevinJ
Committee
Joined: 04 March 2005
Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: 30 May 2005 at 10:49pm |
Maybe the way to go is to keep a log of these experiences and use them for the following year. I.e. number of entrants and the number of races (what happened and what was right/wrong) so that we can learn from them. We should at least keep a log of what we see as max race numbers/track as a basis for the next race.
As for the race results - I agree we need a place for the results where people know where to go . If that is the whiteboard then great.
I think that we should make it clear at the races, post the results at the races and resolve any issues at the time.
I will say that at the last race with 50 odd people it is hard enough organising the races in any case however with people constantly turning up/wanting to change races/etc it certainly makes it harder.
One thing that became evident is that that timing and the administration should be completely separate things/people/laptops/whatever. It is almost impossible for people to do both (you get to the point of collecting times, when preparing for the next race and that is all too much of a rush). It might mean that you can get the races closer together as well!
Thanks for all the comments on the races. I'll try and keep a log of the races this year and the experiences so that we can use it as a basis for next year.
The number of races is a strange balance of safety, fun of riding, fun of watching, ease of going home, etc. I still think we need to make more of the events so that people don't rush home as soon as they have finished and make a day of it. Not saying I know what to do to make this happen and I know people travel a long way and need to get back home, but that also means that it is a long way to travel for just a short race.
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Kevin Jenkins
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gNick
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Joined: 22 February 2005
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Posted: 31 May 2005 at 1:28pm |
Only problem with the whiteboard is transporting it about when you don't have a van, it is surprisingly large when you put it in the back of a car....
Regarding extra laptops etc. the club one will, assuming no catastrophes in the meantime, will be available with adaptors, shoepolish, toothpicks, etc. for the next outing. Anyone have any feelings about what should be included in the flight case?
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gNick
"I'm afraid it's definite, Mrs Banker - your son has bicycles"
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AlanGoodman
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Club Chairman
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Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: 31 May 2005 at 1:58pm |
Instructions...
Possibly a trouble-shooting guide?
Spare battery?
Something to shade the screen... Tricky to see what you are up to on a bright day.
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Andrew S
Admin Group
Joined: 14 March 2005
Location: Hornsea, UK
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Points: 2433
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Posted: 31 May 2005 at 8:54pm |
gNick wrote:
Regarding extra laptops etc. the club one will,
assuming no catastrophes in the meantime, will be available with
adaptors, shoepolish, toothpicks, etc. for the next outing. |
You'll be meaning that which myself and wifey shall be organisating
then, so top of my wishlist would be for it to be there at least as
soon as I am  . The obvious thing would
be for it to travel around with the bell, book, candle and flags from
organisator to organisator. Is that the plan?
By 'adaptor' do you mean a device for transferring charged particles
from car to computer? If so do you have any idea how long such a
process can go on before all the charged particles in the car are gone
and we have to call Neil Martyn's nice Mr AA person to bring some more?
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Quam celerime.
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KevinJ
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Joined: 04 March 2005
Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: 01 June 2005 at 8:44am |
Don't know what the official time for Car battery life is but it was running from about 10:30 till the end (3:30 ish) so 6 hours on 1 car battery (Mondeo, courtesy of Howard) and the car seemed to start at the end of it. That powered the laptop and I do admit that we only kept the printer on when required (sensible in any case). So I would expect for most races it would be OK. Although the computer will work off the battery, it is almost impossible to run it on full screen brightness and in daylight that is unusable!
I haven't looked into alternative battery sources. I might try using a 12 volt battery (like one for an alarm) and seeing how long it will last.
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Kevin Jenkins
Windcheetah
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Yowie
BHPC Member
Joined: 05 March 2005
Location: NRW
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Posted: 01 June 2005 at 10:36am |
RE: The Results.
Just checked my Unfaired standing which has arithmetical error, says that 1429 + 1429 + 1429 + 1336 = 4194; one of the 1429s has been dropped Can't see any similar errors elsewhere.
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