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How much Glass Fibre?

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is choppeed mat not the weakest heaviest way of doing this .Ive just made a carbon bike ,the carbon is cheaper than you think the epoxy costs more i spent less than £100 
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Chopped strand has few uses, bodging repairs on old cars, kit cars, making moulds and boat builders use it because it's cheap, but you need a lot for strength which isn't a problem in a slow boat.

From memory I think glass even in woven format is only 1/4 strength of carbon, so a lot is needed for the required strength of a monocoque construction, don't forget resin quantity should be equal to cloth weight, in practice this is difficult to do and usually more resin is needed to fully wet the cloth, ideally this should then be removed by vacuum, but we're getting into specialised techniques and more money.

There is a method using glass cloth and then using carbon fibre reinforcements, I made a racing shell for a trike this way, (it was destroyed on it's second outing in a practice lap when I rolled the trike on a tight bend) but I had a mould which makes it simple, the thing was very light, very flimsy i.e pushed out of shape easily but strong where carbon was used.

Making a full monocoque out of 100% glass for a racing machine is I would say in a nutshell - WRONG, too heavy and weak.

here is a video of glass fibre monocoque with carbon, it's messing around trying to show how to extract an unconscious person from a velomobile. Note that the bottom where most of the strength lies in these designs is still carbon fibre.


I rode with Daniel the maker (chap doing the extraction) to Spezi with that machine, at one point we were arsing around and I grabbed the edge of the cockpit for a tow, Daniel gave it some power and thee was a loud crack, never worked out what had broken.


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The Paul Davies D6 shell was all glass fiber woven mat, weighed 5 kg, won World Championships in the hands of Ian Chattington several times and inspired Miles to design the Beano to take back the title. It still ran the Beano a close second in the hands of Howard Yeomans. It was not a monocoque though, but had a steel bike inside. Still managed almost 40 mph average speed for the 3 hour race. 



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No problem Roy!
Thanks for the replies people, hopefully I'll be able to get something on a track before too long - Covid permitting.
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I've bought the book (thanks atlas_shrugged). Mike Burrows mentions fibreglass and as its my first attempt, I'll use it for now. Perhaps I'll try carbon if I do another one! It looks about 10 times the price though.
I suppose its the same process? Can you use the same fibreglass mould for carbon?
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Yes, I think it's preferred actually.
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Best to use a core, not just fibreglass. Coremat is fairly easy. Can just have stiffening ribs. If you made a solid glass shell thick enough to act as a monocoque, it would be very heavy.
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