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    Posted: 26 May 2024 at 3:41pm
I want to look at getting a recumbent for riding the local sustrans routes and bridal ways. I have a Mountain bike which is great all year round but limits me to 20km / 2 hours before my arms & bum get too saw to ride.

Clearly I can't expect the same performance off road as a Mountain Bike but something that can cope with a bit of mud would be good. With the exception of one bit, it's nothing serious regards off roading. When the mud is dry my Brompton can manage the route and a lot faster than my MTB. If it had clearance for knobbly tries it would probably do the job year round (putting the lively steering aside).

I love the look of a "Bacchetta Bella", it's said to be good off road if it has the 26" front wheel although I've only heard this said in the context of American gravel not British mud.

The only person I've found talking about off road recumbents, is "Saukki" on YouTube, his Azub Max looks way more capable than my needs but his "Challenge Hurricane" looked very poor off road indeed.

Any experience / make model recommendation great fully received.

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A recumbent for off road at first seems to fly against the wind. After all, aren't recumbent bikes the domain of low slung aerodynamic speedsters? This forum attracts many with those inclinations. But if you look at it from the other end of the telescope, long distance comfort, it makes more sense to spread your weight out to let the seat take the strain.

I've always thought of a bike as a multipurpose machine, and gravitated to what would be considered as maybe gravel bikes, hybrids, or tourers, good for better surfaced towpaths, cycle trails, and bridleways as well as being good on -road. So when I discovered recumbents a few years ago I'd hoped to to carry on recumbenting in the same manner as I'd been using my upright bikes.

The biggest difference between conventional bikes and recumbents is the ability to move your body about which you can't so much on recumbents, making it harder to ride on more extreme terrain. If you accept that, it's still quite possible to ride mild off road routes for long distances.

My own experience has been quite positive but probably not typical. A long wheelbase 700C/20 bike with underseat steering probably wouldn't be most people's first choice for off road but once having mastered it, it's surprising where it can take you. I started from a position of knowing nothing and from my current viewpoint I was lucky to find that one, which I've still got ( An old Iowa Linear). The suggestion of a Bacchetta Bella certainly chimes with me mainly from the fact of the photos I've seen of them with overseat steering. This would give a tighter turning circle than the USS assuming the bar overhang isn't too extreme, and the overall width would be narrower which might help with cycleway barriers. The Bacchetta could be pricey, would recommend a try before you buy. Also it can take some practice to get the hang of a recumbent two wheeler, though with a long wheelbase and highish seat the Bella might be more welcoming.

From a practical viewpoint you'll need more standover if the surface is poor, ruts etc so it's as well to check if you can manage the larger wheels.

Another practical point is transportation, if you want to carry a bike in or on a car, or on a train. A shorter
recumbent would do the job. The HP Velotechnik Streetmachine has good feedback re off road stability, alas too high for me.

A genre of bikes which reputedly do well off tarmac are compact long wheelbase or medium wheelbase recumbents such as the Bike-E, Oke-Ja, HP Velotechnik Spirit. They are easier to learn to ride than some recumbents. I've got a Spirit which I've done some towpath bashing on this year and it's coped well. These bikes are all older models but they do pop up from time to time. The Spirit tends to be pricey but the others can be cheap enough to be worth buying to try, and sell on if they don't suit.

I've had a few recumbent bikes since I've started out but these are the ones I've kept. I'm mostly at
the budget end of the market.

I hope that my reply will encourage others to share their knowledge.


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Perhaps something like an Optima Orca. Having larger wheels for better riding over bumps and full suspension. Throw in a full handlebar for control, not hamster bars ( used more for aerodynamics)
Decent touring recumbents. 
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I've done plenty of touring on a Streetmachine, which as you'd expect for an expedition tourer with decent suspension is eminently competent at unmade roads and (Silly Sustrans Gates aside) the average British cycle route.  The limiting factor is generally the rider's nerve when things get slippery (which could be improved somewhat by fitting knobbly tyres - I usually have 40mm Marathons which are optimal for tarmac and light gravel), followed by what you can reasonably expect a 20" front wheel to roll over, and then the turning circle dictated by under-seat steering.

Larger wheels would obviously roll over bigger bumps, but I'd be wary of sacrificing too much ability to get a foot down quickly.  A less reclined seat angle may help with confidence, even if it doesn't really improve the way the bike handles.

(Off-roading on recumbent trikes is another kettle of worms entirely.  Track width and traction are usually the main issues.)
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Find Daniel Fenn's video of him riding a trike off road through some woods and you will have to abandon your preconceptions of what a trike can do off road. It was a leaning trike though if I remember correctly (Tripendo Spa). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1DQ6tjdHoE&t=43s

Also here...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy85AmLdnPk&t=20s

He is of course totally insane. LOL

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That looks awesome fun  Tongue

I'd not really considered the advantages of tilting when it comes to adverse camber (with which I have form for muddy embarrassment).

He also appears to be making full use of what doesn't look like a tremendous amount of ground clearance.  That's probably the most important thing when choosing a tadpole trike that can go off-road sensibly.
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Coincidentally, as the the OP mentioned one, a Bacchetta Bella has appeared on the Bay of e, though it's a 26/20 inch wheel model. I have no connection with the seller, just mention it out of interest.
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Have a look at this persons video 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RoyMacdonald Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 May 2024 at 6:30pm
But it's not a trike like the OP wants. He has a bike already that he uses and finds uncomfortable.
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Not for me to say what the OP wants but having scrutinised his post closely I see no mention of a trike. His request for information seems to be for two wheels, which in my case, is what piqued my interest.
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