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Built up a rear tubeless wheel using a very expensive Fratelli rim from Ginkgo. The wheel currently has a 28-406 Schwalbe Pro One tubeless tyre seated correctly and holding pressure dry, fitted by hand.

Moultons often have tyre widths limited by their dual-pivot brakes and our Moultons are used for long brevets and mudguards are close to essential. Are there other narrow 406 tubeless tyres out there or should I just lay in a stock of Schwalbe? I hear they are a bit slippery in the wet.
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Originally posted by LWaB LWaB wrote:

Built up a rear tubeless wheel using a very expensive Fratelli rim from Ginkgo. The wheel currently has a 28-406 Schwalbe Pro One tubeless tyre seated correctly and holding pressure dry, fitted by hand.

Moultons often have tyre widths limited by their dual-pivot brakes and our Moultons are used for long brevets and mudguards are close to essential. Are there other narrow 406 tubeless tyres out there or should I just lay in a stock of Schwalbe? I hear they are a bit slippery in the wet.
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I haven't found them slippery in the wet personally on the After 7.

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I may be able to shed some light on this. If a slick tyre e.g. Schwalbe One keeps in contact with the road then the grip should be very good, maybe as good as a treaded tyre. The problem comes when the tyre is not in contact with the road. This can happen if you e.g. ride over a section of slippery leaves. In this case you can go into an instant skid even if cycling in a straight line (this happened to me on the Bachetta 2 wheeler).

I suspect that a treaded tyre is less prone to these problems because the upstanding areas of the tyre are able to 'punch through' a section of slippery leaves.

I have not had these kind of skid problems when using Schwalbe Marathon tyres in the winter. These have some tread.

Looked at another way there must be a good reason that treaded tyres exist.
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I have always thought that treaded tyres exist because they give some warning before ultimately breaking away, partial traction if you prefer. The ultimate grip of a treaded tyre might be less than for a slick but you can feel when the limit of traction is being approached.
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Originally posted by atlas_shrugged atlas_shrugged wrote:


Looked at another way there must be a good reason that treaded tyres exist.



Yes. Yes, there is, at least for road tyres. It's called…

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Marketing!
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Originally posted by atlas_shrugged atlas_shrugged wrote:

I may be able to shed some light on this. If a slick tyre e.g. Schwalbe One keeps in contact with the road then the grip should be very good, maybe as good as a treaded tyre. The problem comes when the tyre is not in contact with the road. This can happen if you e.g. ride over a section of slippery leaves. In this case you can go into an instant skid even if cycling in a straight line (this happened to me on the Bachetta 2 wheeler).

I suspect that a treaded tyre is less prone to these problems because the upstanding areas of the tyre are able to 'punch through' a section of slippery leaves.

I have not had these kind of skid problems when using Schwalbe Marathon tyres in the winter. These have some tread.

Looked at another way there must be a good reason that treaded tyres exist.

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I avoid leaves and metal covers. Even when walking. I assumed that he was talking about wet tarmac and wasn't a train driver LOL

All the best.
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Originally posted by legs_larry legs_larry wrote:

Originally posted by atlas_shrugged atlas_shrugged wrote:


Looked at another way there must be a good reason that treaded tyres exist.



Yes. Yes, there is, at least for road tyres. It's called…

(drum roll)

Marketing!
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I think it a spin off from car road tires where the higher speeds can cause aquaplaning and the tread is designed to pump water from under the tyre and keep it in contact with the road. Not applicable to bike tyres in my opinion. I've raced for years with slicks. Not that it ever rains when we race, as all the club knows.Wink Mud is a whole different story though but not an issue for us unless some inconsiderate builders have been at work, but I avoid that as well, even when walking.

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My partner took her 406 summer bike out into grotty lanes yesterday and got separate flats. One in a Conti Grand Prix with lightweight tube, the other a Schwalbe Pro One tubeless. The tubeless sealed up in seconds and she rode away after stopping. The other required the usual roadside faff of a new tube. She is waiting for the tubeless front wheel to be finished.

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(Decides not to quote Roy's reply above after seeing all the strange HTML gubbins lurking under the skin thereof. What's that all about?)

I believe SCIENCE has shown that a bicycle would need to be going faster than even a Battle Mountain 'liner for aquaplaning to happen.

Read something years ago from a car tyre engineer who said that he and his cow-orkers kept developing better tread patterns only to have them rejected by the marketroids for not looking aggressive enough. This all goes to show something although I'm sure I don’t know what.
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Originally posted by legs_larry legs_larry wrote:

(Decides not to quote Roy's reply above after seeing all the strange HTML gubbins lurking under the skin thereof. What's that all about?)
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I wish I knew Dave. It only happens on the BHPC forum. I've tried deleting that bit and it goes but puts another of the same text in a different place? It might be like Covid though and once you catch it.....

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