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    Posted: 06 October 2005 at 11:46am
I dare say we're all bored with ways of calculating results now, but I think I've got a slightly different way of doing it which could have some merit:

There's been a bit of discussion about whether the race points system should emphasize performance or consistency with actually turning up. I've an idea of a way we could support both.

If the total points for each competitor are calculated by sorting the results (i.e. 2000, 2000, 1921, 1842, 1531) and then adding them up using the full value of the best result, half the second, a quarter of the third etc. (Whether powers of two are the correct way to do this is of course open to debate). This is something that a spreadsheet ought to be able to do automatically, if fed with the same race result points as are calculated at present.

The effect is such that the top few in each class would remain pretty much untouched in order as these are usually people who win in those classes. However, those who win sometimes but don't turn up often come up in the order and those who are there all the time but don't go so quickly go down in the order.

The effect is that the most competitive in any particular class rise to the top of that class. Those who are less competitive sink, but rise to the top of their own class.

At present, I'm somewhat above Steve Slade in open class, not due to speed, but purely due to attendance. Re-calculating in this way puts Steve well above me in that class, which is entirely reasonable. He'd still be below gNick, for instance, who turns up far more often and is also much quicker than I am.

Another example: Alan Goodman would retain his position at the top of sports class, but in open and unfaired, Iain James would leapfrog him. I think that's probably fair too.

The junior competitors at present mostly have very good consistency in coming to events and race very well, but aren't competitive with the fastest on the track overall. They would tend to sink down the order in the open, unfaired and sports results, but retain their positions in the junior class. Hannah, Holly and Casey are all above Steve Slade in the open results at present, which doesn't seem quite right.

This also means that a single duff day won't have the dire effect on the results as it does at present. Due to the way the results are sorted, so long as a competitor rides on other days as well, they'll only lose some small proportion of potential points due to the single duff day. If you attend 8 events in a year, it'd be just 1/128th of the total that are affected by that one duff day.

This doesn't require that we change the number of individual race points allocated at present. In fact, I think the current figures would work quite well with this. It values the combination of a a fourth, fifth and a sixth about the same as two firsts. So, you still need consistency.

So, there you go. An idea. I don't particularly expect it to be adopted, and hope for it not to be debated at length at the AGM, but it is a different way of viewing the results we have now.

David.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 October 2005 at 2:58pm
I think you had better watch your back at Eastway David - Hannah, Casey and Holly are going to be very cross with you...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 October 2005 at 6:31pm

david hebrow[/Quote]The junior competitors at present mostly have very good consistency in coming to events and race very well, but aren't competitive with the fastest on the track overall.[/Quote]

They would be much higher in the rankings if they tried a little harder. Hannah is considerably faster and seems to be tring really hard. Hannah is even faster than me and seems to be beating me which im not happy about   aprat from my best efforts.Than Casey and Holly, which sorry to say just tutle along at many races. They would perform much better if they tried. I know i will get a battering.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 October 2005 at 7:06pm

Nikki,

       Yes, it's true that Hollie and Casey have been guilty of just tootling at some (earlier) races, but certainly not so at Reading. One look at their red faces
showed the effort they were putting in! Also, there are plenty of adults who don't appear to be going "all out":
but seem to enjoy racing just as much as, maybe more than
the serious types.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 October 2005 at 9:35pm

I make an effort... I'm just slow...

Hannah has simply been much better than anybody else in Juniors this year.      She has also been brilliant at keeping the effort up even when she's been miles in front and could easily have taken it easy.

In the early rounds (Notably Casle Coombe and Hayes) Casey and Hollie just sort of rode around nattering to each other. I must admit we said to them that it was a bit of a waste of time humping their bikes around for that, and they have certainly been making a lot more effort lately. Actually they seem to be getting quite competitive between themselves - Hollie was beating Casey earlier in the year, with Casey running out of steam half way through the race, but Casey seems to have really improved and has finished in front the last few times they have raced. Eastway should be interesting because I'm sure Hollie will want to turn that around!!. Casey gave up there earlier in the year and she says she's determined to finish the race this time...

As long as they are enjoying themselves and not getting in the way of the faster riders (we keep telling them... honest...) then that's ok with me...



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 October 2005 at 10:17pm

I am really sorry at what I said earlier. I am sending out this formal apolagy for all those concerned. I didnt mean to upset or offend anyone. It was me just misunderstanding what was written earlier. i will remember in future to keep my mouth shut with personal matters like this.

I confess that at nearly all of the races I do just tutle round just to get it over i.e eastway. and I dont really try at all. I'm surprised at how well they are doing the two of them. Looking at the results I see that Casey is actually ahead of me in the Open and Hollie is only a couple of points behind me. This proves that thier efforts are paying off.

I am really proud of them for racing and finishing at Castle Combe 2. They were more willing than me, as you may have seen I was there but i didn't race. this was because i dont specificly like the track, as I am one of the slow ones and have no one to talk to for the whole race, all my comfort is a cd player playing the same tracks over and over again.

i congratulate the girls at thier efforts for sticking the race out and give them relief that the time is nearly up.

I even find myself being unable in mostly all the races to beat my mum which shows up how unfit I am. I have tried unsucessfully for several seasons now. I also confess that when I first joined I did not try my hardest at the race and just went round for the fun of it. But now getting into it i do try and ride as fast as i can but still i dont get many points

To conclude, i send my deepest apolagies to the two girls and hope that they will forgive me and all will be right when Eastway comes. A small note from the girls to say that they have seen this apolagy would be nice.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 October 2005 at 10:32pm


Nikki, rest assured no offence was taken, I'm sorry
if I gave the impession that you had upset anyone . Bullet proof vest NOT required at Eastway!!

        Dave & Hollie.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 October 2005 at 10:56pm
Anyway, ...

Originally posted by davidhembrow davidhembrow wrote:

I dare say we're all bored with ways of calculating results now, but I think I've got a slightly different way of doing it which could have some merit


David -

I've submitted a proposal to Richard for the AGM that a working party of the good and true, fast and slow, be set up to sort out a new points system, in time for next season. I hope that this will provide an ample supply of long grass into which the hornet's nest can be quickly kicked, without taking up too much valuable cake time.

If you'd be interested in joining the merry band then let me know (by PM).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 October 2005 at 11:00pm

Please don't worry Nikki... It'll take a lot more than that to upset or offend us...

Originally posted by Nikki Nikki wrote:

I even find myself being unable in mostly all the races to beat my mum which shows up how unfit I am.

Actually, my Mum could probably beat me as well...

Look forward to seeing you at Eastway.

Alan (and Casey).



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