BHPC Forum Homepage
Forum Home Forum Home > Public: Open to anyone > Any Other Business
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Wider Acceptance
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

Starting a new topic? Please try and put it in a relevant forum (Riding, Building, etc) but if you're not sure it's better to post in any forum than not to post at all.


Wider Acceptance

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <123
Author
Message
RoyMacdonald View Drop Down
BHPC Member
BHPC Member
Avatar

Joined: 09 March 2007
Location: Rye East Sussex
Status: Offline
Points: 217
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RoyMacdonald Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 February 2018 at 5:17pm
Originally posted by AlanGoodman AlanGoodman wrote:

Really?? No idea who was on the committee then but that sounds like a big opportunity missed.
I know we looked at getting funding when we hosted the World Championships in 2008 - In fact that is why the club has a constitution. It didn't have one at the time and needed one to apply for the funding, so one was written (amid many arguments about the content) at that time...

I'd love to have been a fly on the wall for that discussion.

Roy


Edited by RoyMacdonald - 27 February 2018 at 5:19pm
Back to Top
AlanGoodman View Drop Down
Admin Group
Admin Group
Avatar
Club Chairman

Joined: 04 March 2005
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 6473
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AlanGoodman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 February 2018 at 5:20pm
Big smile

Back to Top
Ken View Drop Down
Visitor (new)
Visitor (new)
Avatar

Joined: 25 August 2017
Status: Offline
Points: 44
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Ken Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 March 2018 at 5:31pm
I feel it might be worth chiming in here as the handcycling community shares a similar situation. I've been trying to work with British Cycling for ages and have just had some success after a phone call with them and things look promising so far.

Regarding safety, one only has to compare your HPV's to the handbikes as we are probably in the same boat, there.

Now, one of my riding colleagues had nearly been turned away from a CTT affiliated TT because it was perceived that the route was too dangerous for an handcycle. He ended up having to have a quite detailed discussion (as I understand it) on the day even though the race was open to paracycling and they had been informed that two of us might be there. After a discussion where he descibed the route that he'd ridden a few times before and some persuasion by the race host's spouse, it was accepted that my colleague would be OK to ride.

After the Derby velodrome event last year, I contacted the Glasgow velodrome to see about riding there. They asked for a description of my bike and after that, simple ignored me.

I've had a few other interaction in the same realm including my phone call with BC and from having a long interest in HPV's and having seen the interaction of the public and the cycling community to them, I can see that there are similar threads to what handcyclist deal with.

Put bluntly, I think that most people think any bike that deviates form the "standard" upright is "weird," the people that ride them are "crazy" and therefore people don't know how to deal with them. Because of this, it seems to instil some subconscious sense of fear and avoidance because the public and other cyclist don't understand them. They don't understand the similarity to the familiar bikes, the need for them, or the desire to ride them.

I think this is the key ground level situation to deal with when trying to make changes. You have to change people's perception of the bikes and the riders because likely, those perceptions are wrong. The more I talk to people about why I ride the bikes I do, and the benefits that they have, the more they understand them and the need for them, and the more they can relate to their own bike experience and need for things that work for them.

Beyond that, if you're looking at inclusion for racing, I think as a group it would be useful to have categorisation of the HPV's in terms of design and performance, and try to work out some sort of race factor such as the para-riders have. In paracycling you can compare actual times, but also more able-bodied riders with essentially have a penalty added to make their times more comparable to a less able-bodied rider. Doing this will allow race times to be evaluated at a more equal and relatable way, as there is always going to be the issue that people will be put off including you simply because you're so fast and they won't want to be beaten. The TT's that I've done with uprights in my club, we've used that factoring and it makes it a bit more enjoyable for the handcycles as we fel more competitive, but we also know that we can try to beat the uprights with "real time". 

But all in all, I think the most critical thing is that as a group, anyone other than an upright rider needs to take the time to talk to people involved, educate them, and demonstrate what your form of cycling is and the advantages and also the similarities. A lot of this will likely require first hand experience such as going to events and showing off some of the bikes, even giving people a chance to try them. When you make a personal connection, something that someone can relate to, that's when it's easier to invoke a change.

It's been a long, long time that HPV's have been at the fringes, and a lot of opinions and assumptions have been formed that need to be broken. Plus there may be some bad blood. Wouldn't be the first time.

I know I'm coming from the outside of BHPC and from a different type of riding so perhaps my observations and opinions aren't "right." But, I've had a bit of experience with HPV's in the states and have seen both sides of things. And with my current riding, I'm seeing similar things and dealing wiht similar situations.

I just keep in mind: Introduce, inform, and chip away.

Just my 2 cents worth.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <123
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 11.02
Copyright ©2001-2015 Web Wiz Ltd.