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2019 Round 10: Gravesend, Sunday 22nd Sept

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Topic: 2019 Round 10: Gravesend, Sunday 22nd Sept
Posted By: ChrisH
Subject: 2019 Round 10: Gravesend, Sunday 22nd Sept
Date Posted: 31 August 2019 at 12:27pm
Details for The Gravesend racing on the Sunday are:

we have the lower 2 circuits of the track (click to uploads/1067/Gravesend_lower_circuits.pdf" rel="nofollow - see pic ) booked from 10-3 pm 

Sign-on starts ~9:30am

Race format (split into Fast and Slow groups depending on numbers)
2 hrs
The track is booked for 5 hrs to accommodate both a fast and a slow 2hr race, (but if numbers allow all to run in one race it could be increased to 3 hrs, or do an all-in 2hr race followed by another shorter race format to get full value for money from the track)

The two race circuits can be used in a number of different combinations/directions, which can be decided on the day.

Can we please have some volunteers to help organise??

Also worth noting: If travelling to/from Gravesend via the Dartford/bridge/tunnel don't forget it operates by numberplate recognitions system. You can pay in advance or by midnight the day after you cross.

https://www.gov.uk/pay-dartford-crossing-charge

Details for car parking charges at Gravesend Cycle Park can be found here:

https://www.cyclopark.com/car-parking/



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Posted By: ChrisH
Date Posted: 01 September 2019 at 11:42am
The link to the Gravesend parking fees isn't working.

Here they are...…

Under 30 minutes: FREE

Up to 3 hours: £1.20

Over 3 hours: £3.60




Posted By: JDub
Date Posted: 09 September 2019 at 3:22pm
Good choice to have a longer race for once.




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Posted By: JDub
Date Posted: 09 September 2019 at 3:24pm
Hocus Pocus will be available.



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Posted By: Kim
Date Posted: 22 September 2019 at 8:16am
Looks like the Weather has arrived...


Posted By: JDub
Date Posted: 22 September 2019 at 9:31pm
Fortunately, the weather didn't arrive while the racing was going on. Looked a bit wetter on some parts of the M25 on the way home.

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Posted By: Kim
Date Posted: 22 September 2019 at 10:21pm
Results from the electronic timing system are now at: http://www.bhpc.org.uk/Data/Sites/1/media/events/events19/10gravesend/index.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.bhpc.org.uk/Data/Sites/1/media/events/events19/10gravesend/index.html

Unfortunately the generator conked out after about 54 minutes. While the laptop continued on internal battery power, the RFID reader stopped working. The generator was eventually re-started, but without the required manual intervention to re-connect to the tag reader, no further data was acquired until I returned to the system after the end of the race.

On that basis, I've adjusted the timing data we do have to be a 51 minute race (thereby capturing a final good read of everyone's tag).

Finish times were recorded by stopwatch, but we have a ~20 minute gap between the last good timing data and somebody realising there was a problem and starting counting laps manually at 1:15:00 into the race. In the absence of lap counts for everyone from GPS data, I think the best approach will be to treat this as a separate 45 minute race...


Posted By: david.lhostis
Date Posted: 23 September 2019 at 8:16am
My GPS says I have got 54 laps in around 2:04:05 and I was in third position behind Steve and lee and ahead of Liam and Neil F. Splitting in two separate races is quite a disadvantage for me as I used my special engine mode in the last part of the race.

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Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 23 September 2019 at 10:17am
Slash definitely won and Lee was second.
Liam and Neil F were on the same lap as David but behind him - where he found that speed from at the end I have no idea!!
Neil Hood dropped out at about an hour and John Williams a little later.

Everybody else finished I believe.



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Posted By: Kim
Date Posted: 23 September 2019 at 12:31pm
Originally posted by david.lhostis david.lhostis wrote:

My GPS says I have got 54 laps in around 2:04:05 and I was in third position behind Steve and lee and ahead of Liam and Neil F. Splitting in two separate races is quite a disadvantage for me as I used my special engine mode in the last part of the race.


Similarly, I was going much better in the second half of the race (though not to the point of changing my position - I was consistently behind John Lucian and Tim Parker, and ahead of Colin Rose, by some number of laps). My GPS track shows 45 laps.

(Whatever we do with the results, I reckon William Tulett deserves some sort of award for coming last in the most heroic way possible. Completing a 2 hour race on a KMX with about ten minutes of previous recumbent riding in his legs is certainly impressive.)


Posted By: Neil F
Date Posted: 23 September 2019 at 8:23pm
My GPS was 54 laps in 2:05:01 behind Liam and David. While 2 x 45 would probably be better for me it was a 2 hour race so if we can recreate the results then that would be best.


Posted By: johnlucian
Date Posted: 23 September 2019 at 9:17pm
My GPS show that I have done 52 laps in around 2:06. I was 2 laps down on David, Liam and Neil F. I was ahead of Tim Parker with about 1.5 laps, who was followed by Kim few laps behind and further behind by Colin). 
I believe we have the correct order for top 10 at least (Steve, Lee, David 54 Laps, Liam 54 laps, Neil F 54 Laps, John 52 Laps, Tim 51 Laps, Kim 45 Laps, Colin Rose. With a little effort, we could get the laps count of rest of the riders at least where it counts for the results. So I believe we can have correct timing and results for the full 2 hours.


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Posted By: LeeW
Date Posted: 23 September 2019 at 10:04pm
I have 58 laps according to Strava data.

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Posted By: Kim
Date Posted: 23 September 2019 at 10:55pm
This is good, keep it coming...

Yes, I have the finish order and stopwatch times for all riders.

If we can get lap counts for most of the riders (or at least those who really care about results) we can probably extrapolate reasonable values for the other riders from the data we do have.


Posted By: hotta
Date Posted: 24 September 2019 at 10:00am
22 laps for me

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Posted By: tim.p
Date Posted: 24 September 2019 at 4:03pm
From my data it looks like I did 50 laps, but it also looks like John finished just after I did, which would explain why he is two laps despite only lapping me once (can finish times confirm this?).

Also I found a Strava replay of several people's races if that is of interest.

https://labs.strava.com/flyby/viewer/#2730552291?c=u10hxbf8&z=H&t=1TXqQu&a=4-vAoqt82aLczNSiXYD5oitd-qJUmNmi0le_og&s=51" rel="nofollow - https://labs.strava.com/flyby/viewer/#2730552291?c=u10hxbf8&z=H&t=1TXqQu&a=4-vAoqt82aLczNSiXYD5oitd-qJUmNmi0le_og&s=51


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Posted By: Kim
Date Posted: 24 September 2019 at 5:34pm
Originally posted by tim.p tim.p wrote:

From my data it looks like I did 50 laps, but it also looks like John finished just after I did, which would explain why he is two laps despite only lapping me once (can finish times confirm this?).


I have you finishing at 2:05:17.86, then me, Colin Rose, William Tulett, and John Lucian at 2:05:58.02. So not 'just after', but certainly catching up. (The lap times we have for you and John Lucian were mostly of the order of 2:20-2:30.)

(And because this race fails the cycling Bechdel-Wallace test[1], it's probably worth clarifying that John Williams DNFed at some point after manual lap counting began.)


[1] "Are there more women than people called John?"


Posted By: Kim
Date Posted: 24 September 2019 at 10:04pm
I've made a spreadsheet to estimate the number of laps based on the average lap time from the various data we do have. The estimates are all roughly 1.5-3 laps higher than the GPS values posted so far, which is probably good enough for a realistic finish order (estimated lap counts in brackets):

Steve Slade     (64.56)
Lee Wakefield     58
David L’Hostis     54
Liam Goodman     54
Neil Fleming     54
John Lucian     52
Tim Parker     50
Kim Wall     45
Colin Rose     (41.72)
Don Shekley     (35.96)
Joseph Sparey-Taylor     (34.23)
Issac Sparey-Taylor     (34.18)
Graham Sparey-Taylor     (34.18)
William Tulett     (19.27)
John Williams     DNF
Neil Hood     DNF

I think the only real ambiguity there is whether Don Shekley was ahead of the Sparey-Taylor peloton?


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 24 September 2019 at 10:07pm
That looks pretty good to me and the Sparey-Taylors will only be interested in Junior points so Don's position won't really be an issue...

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Posted By: Kim
Date Posted: 25 September 2019 at 12:35pm
Okay, I've rounded the estimates down to be consistent with the GPS-derived lap counts, and sent them along with the finish times to Chris H to work his magic on...


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 25 September 2019 at 12:52pm
Many thanks Kim!

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Posted By: donS
Date Posted: 25 September 2019 at 2:04pm
The Sparey-Taylor peloton lapped me sometime in the last half hour.

don


Posted By: Kim
Date Posted: 25 September 2019 at 5:58pm
Originally posted by donS donS wrote:

The Sparey-Taylor peloton lapped me sometime in the last half hour.


Okay, I've pinged another email to Chris H with a revised lap count.

I think that clarifies everything as far as is needed for points allocation.


Posted By: ChrisH
Date Posted: 29 September 2019 at 12:32pm
Here's the results for Gravesend on the Sunday.

Bib     Name                    Laps    Finish Time
1       Steve Slade             63      02:03:53.29
2       Lee Wakefield           58      02:05:05.42
18      David L’Hostis          54      02:04:05.29
36      Liam Goodman            54      02:04:50.92
7       Neil Fleming            54      02:05:01.23
86      John Lucian             52      02:05:58.02
46      Tim Parker              50      02:05:17.86
136     Kim Wall                45      02:05:29.45
38      Colin Rose              40      02:05:31.02
83      Joseph Sparey-Taylor    33      02:06:33.89
80      Issac Sparey-Taylor     33      02:06:34.26
68      Graham Sparey-Taylor    33      02:06:34.92
106     Don Shekley             32      02:06:01.89
127     William Tulett          18      02:05:34.60
149     John Williams           27      DNF
20      Neil Hood               22      DNF

Please post any remaining queries/quibbles here by end of Tues




Posted By: DavidKK
Date Posted: 01 October 2019 at 10:24pm
Here are Sunday's pictures  https://www.flickr.com/photos/71685104@N04/albums/72157711082234181" rel="nofollow - https://www.flickr.com/photos/71685104@N04/albums/72157711082234181

David


Posted By: blogwat
Date Posted: 02 October 2019 at 6:15pm
Once again fantastic photos David I have a lot to learn, thanks for sharing.

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Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 04 October 2019 at 4:55pm
The final results for Sunday's races at Gravesend are now available on the BHPC website:
http://www.bhpc.org.uk/Data/Sites/1/media/events/events19/10gravesend/gravesend2-19.html" rel="nofollow - www.bhpc.org.uk/Data/Sites/1/media/events/events19/10gravesend/gravesend2-19.html
together with the post-Gravesend Championship Tables:
http://www.bhpc.org.uk/Data/Sites/1/media/events/events19/10gravesend/tables19.html" rel="nofollow - www.bhpc.org.uk/Data/Sites/1/media/events/events19/10gravesend/tables19.html



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