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Topic: BATTLE MOUNTAIN
Posted By: AlanGoodman
Subject: BATTLE MOUNTAIN
Date Posted: 17 August 2018 at 10:22am
Is anybody interested in an all-expenses paid trip to Battle Mountain?

All you need to be is roughly the same size as Mike, fast and willing to ride the Soup Dragon...
Mike will be at Darley/Leicester if you'd like to have a chat with him about it there.




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Posted By: russellbridge
Date Posted: 18 August 2018 at 8:07am
What? Really? I'm definitely interested - will have a chat with Mike at Darley Moor today...
Russ

ps what's a Soup Dragon?


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 18 August 2018 at 8:11am
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ByhJLdh_j04" rel="nofollow - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ByhJLdh_j04



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Posted By: legs_larry
Date Posted: 09 September 2018 at 1:20am
ICBA to start another thread, so I'm hijacking Al's.  Not long since arrived here, not much going on yet though Jonathan has reported that the Soup Dragon is:
a) Stuck in Customs
b) In Cincinnati
c) Which is closed for the weekend

This in spite of DHL apparently claiming they delivered to $HOTEL in Las Vegas for the team to pick up en route.

More Stuffs later, Stuffs fans...


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Posted By: D.TEK
Date Posted: 09 September 2018 at 10:21am
USA customs probably could smell a whiff of Soup Dragon lighter fuel .
Tech Note :- Dragons always need a squirt of "Ronson" lighter fluid otherwise the AVGAS will not ignite 
Hence you often see clouds of grey smoke from the nose during  startup  . 
Mr Burrows may have forgotten to  flush out  the secret A and B fuel tanks before shipping from the UK ?
Look forward to your Battle Mountain reports and Mustang test drives ?


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Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 09 September 2018 at 10:41am
Mr Larrington will confirm or not that fact he's driving a VAN this year Disapprove

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Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 09 September 2018 at 12:32pm
Nufink wrong wiv a VAN :-)

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Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 09 September 2018 at 2:27pm
unless described by the driver as "That sh*tbox Dodge"

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Ian, racing again No 6.


Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 09 September 2018 at 2:40pm
Not all vans are created equal.

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Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 09 September 2018 at 6:28pm
Indeed, some are nailed together on the wrong side of the Atlantic.



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Posted By: russellbridge
Date Posted: 09 September 2018 at 9:11pm
Finally made it to Battle Mountain - 10hr flight to the delightful Las Vegas followed by a sleepless night in the gaudiest casino/hotel know to man, and then endless hours of team faffing before an 8hr drive north through Nevada to Battle Mountain. If you want to know what it's like to drive through Nevada just sit in the oven whilst staring at this photo for 8 hrs:
After more fannying around with motel bookings this morning the team (four of us + two film crew) managed to get rooms together at the Big Chief Motel, as the Royal Inn was occupied by very happy singing Mexicans all night (the rodeo is in town this weekend apparently...)

Happily spent the morning getting covered in grease building up the Baron Lowracer training bike, which we may end up running on dependent upon whether DHL can pull their finger out. I recon we can lash up a fairing for the Baron from some plumbing pipe and a roll of cling film... :)

Soup Dragon was apparently released from customs at 8am Sat morning despite them being closed over the weekend?, but is in Cincinatti customs (four day drive away), so we've now got to put our faith in DHL arranging an alternative address, next day, fly/drive delivery to Battle Mountain on Tues, after they told us it had already been delivered to the hotel in Las Vegas last week. Bets anyone?

Its properly hot and dry here: 41 degrees C in Las Vegas, a bit cooler at 29 degrees here, but very dry and hard to stay hydrated.  Off to the scrutineering in a wee while, hopefully we'll bump into Dave there... I'll try to take some photos



Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 09 September 2018 at 10:18pm
Thanks for the reportage Russell. At least you're there even if the bike isn't. Fingers crossed here.

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Posted By: legs_larry
Date Posted: 10 September 2018 at 7:43am
Most of The Usual Suspects arriving at the Super 8 saw this:



and immediately concluded that the growly red thing is mine, not the two-tone white-and-dirt sh*tbox Dodge in the background.  Though the latter is not actually as horrible to drive as previous MoPar products I've been saddled with on previous trips.

Everybody is ready to qualify apart from the Soup Dragon, the team from Universidad de la Salle (Mexico) and IUT Annecy (France).  The weather forecast looks OK, albeit a bit windy in the evenings and Mr Sir Generalissimo Timelord Jun Nogami wants his crew ready to leave town at hours 0600, so I'm going to bed...


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Posted By: blogwat
Date Posted: 10 September 2018 at 8:18am
Good luck Russ and the rest of the crew fingers crossed you get the soup dragon on time.

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Posted By: russellbridge
Date Posted: 10 September 2018 at 8:22pm
Indeed. It's possibly being picked up in Reno (3hrs drive away) by one of our team tomorrow (tues) am. In the meantime I've hopefully blagged a run in Greg's Milan SL on the 2.5mile in tomorrow's qualifying runs - 53mph was the marker laid down today.
In the meantime here's a picture of a TV screen showing some drone footage taken this morning:

Russ


Posted By: legs_larry
Date Posted: 10 September 2018 at 8:41pm
Results now up from Monday morning qualifiers; Andrea Gallo in Taurus set the pace with 69.77 mph; the second fastest run ever over the short course.  Karen Darke would have smashed the women's handcycle record with her 39.11 mph but the wind was too strong for it to count :(  Jennifer Breet, Lieke de Cock (both in VeloX 8) and Matthias König (VeloX XS) also over 60 mph.  Calvin Moes had issues with the brakes on Eta Prime working when they weren't supposed to and vice-versa - now sorted.  Sole Junior rider Ishtey Amminger dropped the chain in Garrie Hill's trike CO2 (a replica of the former trike record holder Completely Overzealous) and a couple of people went down at the start but got going at the second attempt.  All went pretty smoothly, which is probably a first for the opening day of the event.

Keep an eye on Jun Nogami's blog at  https://jnyyz.wordpress.com/category/hpv/" rel="nofollow - https://jnyyz.wordpress.com/category/hpv/ for the latest results; Jun is our Chief Timelord.


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Posted By: russellbridge
Date Posted: 11 September 2018 at 5:56am
Still no sign of the package, we're sadly coming to the conclusion that it may be lost. Does anyone have any contacts high up in DHL either in UK or US who could help? Any assistance much appreciated.
Many thanks in advance
Russ


Posted By: D.TEK
Date Posted: 11 September 2018 at 3:12pm
Doing our best Russell ……had a word with team "Blue Peter" UK 
Is this velomobile considered to be legal for Battle Mountain ?
https://tenor.com/view/magnet-charley-gif-7364160" rel="nofollow - https://tenor.com/view/magnet-charley-gif-7364160
With thanks to XAP BOB on the CTC forum 



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Posted By: legs_larry
Date Posted: 11 September 2018 at 9:54pm
Executive summary of Monday night and Tuesday morning: wind.  And p*nct*r*s.  No wind-legal runs in either session.

Things ended up running very late last night because People and She Who Must Not Be Named.  She attacked Eta Prime, VeloX XS (Matthias riding) and ARION 4 (Ken riding), so the teams of the two-wheelers have a fair bit of sanding to do today.  Eta Prime was particularly scary as it looked like it was never going to stop spinning.  "I was starting to get bored" said a remarkably sanguine Calvin Moes afterwards.  Taurus was fastest with 78.something in spite of a close call with a couple of deer running across the road in front of the bike.  Both VeloX 8 riders were also over 70 mph.

This morning it was Taurus' turn for a Visitation, three miles from the traps.  I'm not sure whether they managed to retrieve the bike mid-course before it fell over and they're planning to run tonight.  When the wind forecast is also the Suxx0r.  Best runs over the full course this morning were again the two VeloX 8 riders; 67.6 for Lieke and 66.2 for Jennifer.  Ken in ARION4 is closing in on record pace with a 45.2 mph pass in a crosswind well over twice the legal maximum.

Latest on the Soup Dragon Saga is, after threats of exposure on CNN, that it's promised in Reno for 9 am tomorrow.  Russell Bridge had a run on the short course in Greg Cantori's Milan SL and clocked 55.6.  Greg is having to fly back east to rescue his boat from incoming hurricanes but the Milan is staying here for now and Russ will ride it again tomorrow morning.

At the moment I am taking advantage of everyone being over at the Civic Center encouraging the Smalls to poke their bikes with little jammy fingers so as to upload photos and have a snooze.

* who do actually have a crew filming us.


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Posted By: Dragonfly
Date Posted: 12 September 2018 at 1:51am
Your play-by-plays of action at Battle Mountain as it unfolds is very entertaining.  Having a connection to some of the cast members makes it even better.  The description of driving through Nevada, complete with photo op is quite accurate.   

Kevin D, I trust you steered everyone away from our "friends" at Parcel Monkey when they shipped the Soup Dragon.  Having fresh experience getting my FRO from the UK to clear across the US was also a bit of a nail biter.  

Keep the reports coming!

Robin


Posted By: legs_larry
Date Posted: 12 September 2018 at 6:25am
Windier than previously thought possible for the first part of Tuesday evening's session with only a handful of riders electing to run.  Fabien Canal in Altaïr 6 the quickest at a fraction under 100 km/h.

Wind dropped to "legal" for all machines in the third heat.  Andrea Gallo's 82.80 mph puts him fourth on the all-time list behind Todd Reichert, Sebastiaan Bowier and (just) Sam Whittingham and makes him the seventh rider to crack 80.  And it's Tuesday.  Lieke de Cock's 74.21 is still a little way off the women's record, but the Delft/Amsterdam team are getting closer.  Ellen van Vugt's 70.64 wasn't quite a personal best, but Ishtey Amminger's 60.94 in CO2 is a new world record for Junior Men's Multitrack.  Calvin Moes let the side down with only 75.32 in Eta Prime.

This is more like it.


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Posted By: RoyMacdonald
Date Posted: 12 September 2018 at 6:01pm
Hi Dave. Is anyone using a VR headset to pilot their camera bike? I was watching Battle of Britain Model Squadron on BBC2 on Sunday and was very impressed. These guys were flying planes at 100 mph using Fat Shark VR setups. There are lots of videos on line. My photos obviously lose detail in the process of uploading them the actual footage is almost as good as reality. I could easily use VR to ride a bike. (hours of misspent time playing 3D games.) You can move your head as if you were looking out of a windscreen.
VR Headset
Camera
 
Views
Roy


Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 12 September 2018 at 6:12pm
Interesting idea Roy. Two issues I can see is it would be catastrophic if the system failed (BM bikes usually have a back up screen) and it might be a bit sweaty?

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Posted By: RoyMacdonald
Date Posted: 12 September 2018 at 7:02pm
Reading up on it the most common issue that happens is that over powerful transmitters cause signal bleed from one system to another, so the model flying clubs have limits on the transmitter power systems. On a camera bike the transmitters could be the lowest one available or directly wired. 

It would be possible to have two camera systems and switch from one to another in case of failure. The bit that couldn't be easily changed is the VR headset but I don't think that is a component with a high failure rate if any. Easy enough to run it for a while off the bike to ensure it was reliable as well. It's also possible to have a regular screen set up running all the while as well and whip the headset off if it did fail.

Quality of vision is probably the most important issue when it comes to controlling the bike. Russell would have been able to see the bends at Rockingham if he could have turned his head and looked with the camera.

As for sweat, thats the nature of a faired bike but as long as it doesn't run into your eyes it shouldn't be an issue.

Roy


Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 12 September 2018 at 8:50pm
Do the riders actually have time to get a sweat up? 

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Posted By: legs_larry
Date Posted: 12 September 2018 at 9:01pm
Originally posted by Yanto Yanto wrote:

Do the riders actually have time to get a sweat up? 

Yes.  Yes, they do Tongue  The faster machines take about five minutes to get from the start to the measured 200m.

Apropos the VR headsets, the rules require two completely independent systems so it wouldn't be easy to switch to a spare headset halfway down the course.

This morning's news:

Flat calm for the short course runs this morning; Karen Darke got a legal run in and duly smashed the Women's Arms-Only world record with 41.86 mph.  An increase of 17 mph over the previous record.

Wind mostly pants by the time we shifted to the five-mile course.  Matthias is now starting to get the hang of it, though, and did 73.28 when the wind temporarily dropped, the jammy git.  From the second heat, Eta Prime and Altaïr 6 both pulled up on the course before being blown over; Ken Talbot in ARION 4 was having to steer into the wind so much that he blew his front tyre from it rubbing on edge of the wheel cutout.  Heat 3 was cancelled.

Soup Dragon update: collected - with some pretty ugly heavy damage - from Reno this morning and currently on its way up I-80.  Master fettlers Steve Nash and George Leone have been roped in to help fix it and Russ hopes to qualify it tomorrow morning.


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Posted By: russellbridge
Date Posted: 12 September 2018 at 9:01pm
Good news: we have the bike
Bad news: it's damaged

Barney and Jo are driving it back from Reno now so we don't know the full extent of the damage yet.

However, we've very kindly been offered help by the amazing people out here, in particular Steve Nash, George Leone and Barkley (sp?) Henry. Glen is currently formulating a plan for repair based upon the photos. If we can get it fixed this afternoon, I then need to test ride it (hopefully with the lid on), then we need to get it tech inspected, then I need to qualify (min 45mph) on the 2.5mile course tomorrow at 8am. Cue A-team music...

3 photos below. It looks bad, but not giving up yet.



Edit: post overlap with Dave, obvs his t'internet is faster than my t'internet.

ps I did another 2.5mile run in the Milan velo this morning and got a wind-legal 55.4mph, which gets me a shiny new hat. I've offered my place in the evening 5-mile run to Ken on the Liverpool hand cycle team as they're close to breaking a record and I'm just arsing about in a borrowed velo...



Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 12 September 2018 at 10:53pm
55.4MPH in a Milan sounds pretty good to me!

How the hell did they manage to do that to the Soup Dragon???
Morons. Angry


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Posted By: RoyMacdonald
Date Posted: 12 September 2018 at 10:55pm
Originally posted by legs_larry legs_larry wrote:

Originally posted by Yanto Yanto wrote:

Do the riders actually have time to get a sweat up? 

Yes.  Yes, they do Tongue  The faster machines take about five minutes to get from the start to the measured 200m.

Apropos the VR headsets, the rules require two completely independent systems so it wouldn't be easy to switch to a spare headset halfway down the course.


Soup Dragon update: collected - with some pretty ugly heavy damage - from Reno this morning and currently on its way up I-80.  Master fettlers Steve Nash and George Leone have been roped in to help fix it and Russ hopes to qualify it tomorrow morning.

Good that the Soup Dragon has turned up so not a total remake!

I thought a standard system run alongside the VR one would be OK? So just pull the VR headset off and look at the standard monitor. Seeing those guys flying at 100 mph makes me think a crash would be less likely with the VR System. Only one way to find out.Wink

Lets hope the Soup Dragon is more fixable than it looks.

All the best.

Roy


Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 13 September 2018 at 12:09am
Sad to see the Soup Dragon in that state Russ - hope you get it fixed in time.

I'm sure there are guys there with lots of experience of fixing things like this, but in my experience, what you need to do is firstly get the bits as close as possible to the original shape - use gaffa tape, hot glue gun and splints, screws, whatever it takes, all on the outside, but it will save you time (and weight!) later the closer you get to the desired shape. Then key up and fibreglass over the inside surface - use polyester - it's quicker and less fickle. If you are skilful with the amount of catalyst then you can get it to cure in an hour without overheating/distorting. Now, remove the external support and cut back the original glass-fibre, grinding deep into the cracks and leaving nothing protruding from the desired form - better to grind off too much than too little and remove anything loose. An angle grinder with an abrasive wheel is quickest but makes a hell of a mess and wear a good P3 mask! Now fill with Bondo (as they say in the USA). Don't be tempted to put too much on at once - it takes a long time to take off again. Initially use a coarse Al oxide paper - maybe 40 grit (or even a Surform or, my favourite, a dreadnought file) as this will shape the filler, rather than just smoothing the surface of the irregularities. Back the abrasive paper with something fairly firm, not soft foam or it won't take off the high spots - you are shaping at this stage, not smoothing! Once you have the shape, you can get a smooth surface in the time remaining. A high-build spray filler works well at this stage. Hope that helps a bit.


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Posted By: russellbridge
Date Posted: 13 September 2018 at 5:46am
Thanks Geoff, all very helpful. Glen, Barney and George Leone (surfboard maker amongst other things) are all doing an amazing job getting it back in shape. I've left them to burn the midnight oil.
5am start tomorrow to do some practice runs with the shell on, then 8:45am qualifying run hopefully on the 2.5mile course. We had to do a bit of tweaking to the rear disk mount which appears to have been bent, and the chain has jumped off a few times on practice runs (frame only this afternoon) so I need to pedal very smoothly and not put any torque into the chainring which, like virtually everything else on the bike, has been built to the min weight possible, minus a bit more for good measure...




Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 13 September 2018 at 6:45am
Good luck Russ, we're waiting and hoping for a good run and qualification.

Congratulations on your first BM hat, I'm sure they'll be a few more if the wind is kind!


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Posted By: legs_larry
Date Posted: 13 September 2018 at 6:52am
More the suxx0r weather for Wednesday evening.  It's turned cloudy and cooled off from 90 F to about 75, but the wind still refuses to cooperate.  Only two riders were mad enough to try starting in either of the first two heats and only Jennifer made it to the other end.  Calvin fell at the start and loosened Eta Prime's stem, unless it was the other way round.

All change for heat three.  Andrea scratched which allowed Calvin another run.  Lieke is tantalisingly close to the record with a 74.3, Ishtey's 60.85 was a fraction slower than his world record from last night, Calvin did a 76.78 which we think is his best so far this week.  And Ken Talbot in ARION 4 smashed it with 51.58 for the Liverpool team's second arm-powered world record of the day.  Big ups to Karen, Ken and the whole Liverpool squad.


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Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 13 September 2018 at 10:27am
Looks like Soup Dragon is in good (and very generous) hands. Looks like they've put some reinforcement in - seems sensible. I think there are good reasons why BM bikes usually weigh 25 kg - safety and stiffness.

Very best of luck to you Russ - you deserve a good run after all you've been through.


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Posted By: RoyMacdonald
Date Posted: 13 September 2018 at 5:05pm
Originally posted by GeoffBird GeoffBird wrote:

Looks like Soup Dragon is in good (and very generous) hands. Looks like they've put some reinforcement in - seems sensible. I think there are good reasons why BM bikes usually weigh 25 kg - safety and stiffness.

Very best of luck to you Russ - you deserve a good run after all you've been through.

I came across and old club mag a few weeks ago that had a tyre RR table by John Lafford where he had tested for weight increase from 185 lb to 200 lb at 30 mph and across the range of tested tyres it was pretty much a 7 watt increase for all of them with the additional 15 lb. So that's 14 watts for a bike and 21 watts for a trike. With a faired bike at 90 mph that is a big gain in power. So I think Mike is right to keep it as light as possible as rolling resistance is a lot more important on the Soup Dragon. (so he tells me)

Roy


Posted By: RoyMacdonald
Date Posted: 13 September 2018 at 5:11pm
Originally posted by GeoffBird GeoffBird wrote:

Interesting idea Roy. Two issues I can see is it would be catastrophic if the system failed (BM bikes usually have a back up screen) and it might be a bit sweaty?

Incidentally Geoff I forgot the Soup Dragon is designed with 3 portholes to look out of so a screen failure is not that important anyway. Mike was intending to run at BM without a screen unless Russell prefers it I guess.

Roy


Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 13 September 2018 at 5:37pm
It is a popular misconception that trikes have 1.5 times the rolling resistance of a bike because of the extra wheel. Rolling resistance is load times coeff. of friction, so, if the trike is as light as the bike then the rolling resistance will be the same (as long as it tracks straight and true). If the trike (and rider of course) is 50% heavier than the bike (and rider), then you would be right, but not for the right reason.

Agreed, that extra 4.5 kg does increase the rolling resistance but the reason there seem to have been big gains in speed at battle mountain in recent years is because they seem to be maintaining laminar flow for further along the fairing. This means fairly long (and therefore heavy) fairings with gentle pressure gradients and a fairing that holds it's shape well (so likely heavier). Forget all that old thinking about reducing surface area to a minimum, laminar flow is king.

You can also always save weight by making a vehicle that is less safe in a crash. The extent to which this is done really depends on how much risk the rider is prepared to take for those extra few watts I guess. 150 km/h is a big crash.


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Posted By: blogwat
Date Posted: 13 September 2018 at 6:15pm
Sad to see the damage to the soup dragon hope you get it fixed in time Russ and get to qualify, congratulations on the speeds in the Milan and good look with it all.

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Posted By: russellbridge
Date Posted: 13 September 2018 at 8:06pm
Successful qualifying run on the 2.5 mile with a patched up Soup Dragon this morning, 53mph official but coasting through the traps, pretty much hanging on.  There's a lot of slop in the front geometry and it was a frankly terrifying run. Something is causing a burning smell, and I was getting high from the epoxy fumes...

One issue is a loose hub bearing at the centre of the wheel, meaning there's about 8mm of play if you wobble the top and bottom of the wheel. The handle bar mount point is also woefully undersupported meaning that there's far too much flex when you're trying to do very minor steering inputs. There's also a couple of mm play in the link rod.  I'm not happy running on the 5 mile tomorrow unless these can all be fixed.

On a more positive note the single speed (150/16) and the retractable single sided landing wheel work a treat.


Posted By: RoyMacdonald
Date Posted: 13 September 2018 at 8:09pm
Interesting info on trikes Geoff. 

The Soup Dragon is designed for laminar flow but it is also a very light shell with reinforcement ribs, almost in the Paul Davis D6 style. My main worry would be a burn on the bits of body that would touch the side when sliding down the road. I couldn't see any protection from touching the sides when it is on it's side unless they have added some now.

Roy 


Posted By: russellbridge
Date Posted: 13 September 2018 at 8:15pm
Correct Roy, all the other machines are using a fully enclosed carbon monocoque 'crash cell' with a thick carbon/kevlar/foam shell, hence me getting a lightweight kevlar motorbike jacket to ride in, but yes bum is still unprotected. They added a few patches of kevlar on the inside, but it does not feel safe at all.


Posted By: legs_larry
Date Posted: 13 September 2018 at 9:32pm
Cloudy overnight meant higher than usual temperatures for the morning and the wind was mostly benign.  But it failed to warm up properly and as I had a sedentary job back in timing it was almost cold.  Fastest time of the morning went to Fabien Canal in Altaïr 6, at 76.99 mph, just ahead of Matthias König's 76.44 in VeloX XS.  I think we can expect Matthias back next year for a serious effort Tongue  Karen Darke ran for the first time on the long course and added more than 5 mph to yesterday's world record.  Her new mark of 46.05 is higher than Greg Westlake's arms-only outright record that existed until last night.  Mike Sova, co-designer/builder of Greg's machine, is going to e-mail him this afternoon to take the piss.


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Posted By: RoyMacdonald
Date Posted: 13 September 2018 at 9:34pm
Russell I've found that pieces of foam will hold of the heat transference for long enough at lower speeds at any rate. If you can get a thin bulletproof vest cut that up and stick that on where you need it that would work well. We did test a police issue vest here against various guns and although it was useless against a 303 it would work OK for your purpose. It's the USA, should be a big selection available.Smile

Good luck.

Roy  


Posted By: Arellcat
Date Posted: 13 September 2018 at 10:07pm
Out of interest, how was the Soup Dragon shipped to the States?  Trust the airlines to wreck it!  The ARION chaps had a huge flight case worked up last year and the bike sat in a great big wooden cradle.

Hope you can get some more intensive runs in, Russell. In my limited experience, the shoulders (and knees) take the impact but the hips would take the friction/heat.  Do you have a five-point harness?


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Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 13 September 2018 at 10:09pm
I don't think there is anything solid enough to attach a 5-point harness to Becky :-)

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Posted By: Arellcat
Date Posted: 13 September 2018 at 10:12pm
Well, I did wonder. Smile


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Posted By: RoyMacdonald
Date Posted: 13 September 2018 at 10:28pm
I think the trouble with the camera bikes is the tiny size of the screen. Because the VR has the screens so close to your eyes you get a realistic view around you and are able to look in any direction. Look at what the model aircraft guys can do.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8ZpF1q1n_8" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8ZpF1q1n_8      and   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMjL2QYA2ws" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMjL2QYA2ws

Roy


Posted By: RoyMacdonald
Date Posted: 13 September 2018 at 10:34pm
Originally posted by Arellcat Arellcat wrote:

Out of interest, how was the Soup Dragon shipped to the States?  Trust the airlines to wreck it!  The ARION chaps had a huge flight case worked up last year and the bike sat in a great big wooden cradle.

Hope you can get some more intensive runs in, Russell. In my limited experience, the shoulders (and knees) take the impact but the hips would take the friction/heat.  Do you have a five-point harness?

When Nigel Leaper hit an oak post head on in the Leaper Low it was his feet and privates that took the damage. Before that he did get a burn on the arm from sliding at about 40 mph at Leicester Velodrome.

Roy


Posted By: russellbridge
Date Posted: 13 September 2018 at 11:13pm
Video here showing relative movement between front and rear wheels, this play seems to be exacerbated with the forces at 40mph+ making it pretty uncontrollable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZaU9HFHgog" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZaU9HFHgog


Posted By: RoyMacdonald
Date Posted: 13 September 2018 at 11:23pm
That is seriously wobbly.Shocked

Roy


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 13 September 2018 at 11:36pm
How did it pass their scrutineering like that?


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Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 13 September 2018 at 11:39pm
Was that play caused by damage in transit or was it always like that? You were brave riding that at over 50 mph Russell!

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Posted By: legs_larry
Date Posted: 14 September 2018 at 5:10am
No wind-legal runs Thursday evening chiz.  Double chiz, in fact, as Fabien Canal has gone from total recumbent n00b to 80.83 mph in less than a week.

I'll leave the next Soup Dragon update for Russell to pass on.


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Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 14 September 2018 at 9:24am
Originally posted by russellbridge russellbridge wrote:

One issue is a loose hub bearing at the centre of the wheel, meaning there's about 8mm of play if you wobble the top and bottom of the wheel.
A problem with wheel-bearings on a Burrows bike??? Surely this is unheard of... Wink


Posted By: russellbridge
Date Posted: 14 September 2018 at 4:54pm
We've taken the decision not to run today.
Photo here showing the green machine in full flight, taken by Jun yesterday morning. Note ambulance in background :)


There's a video on facebook from Marieke Ligtvoet but I don't know how to post a link to that sorry



Posted By: speedy381
Date Posted: 14 September 2018 at 5:34pm
A good call I think, well done so far

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Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 14 September 2018 at 5:49pm
Russ I think you are very brave soul to be doing JUST Wacko 50 odd mph in something that amounts to the Colin Chapman philosophy of building i.e. make it light, make it lighter, oh b****r it's broken (never mind we can can recruit another test driver) but better add a tinsy winsy bit to it.

Edited to add:

Just read Soup Dragon is being withdrawn, probably a very wise decision, Russ will you be able to run the Milan again?



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Posted By: RoyMacdonald
Date Posted: 14 September 2018 at 8:11pm
Originally posted by russellbridge russellbridge wrote:

We've taken the decision not to run today.
Photo here showing the green machine in full flight, taken by Jun yesterday morning. Note ambulance in background :)


There's a video on facebook from Marieke Ligtvoet but I don't know how to post a link to that sorry


Try this...     http://www.facebook.com/marieke.ligtvoet/videos/10156678513809281/" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/marieke.ligtvoet/videos/10156678513809281/

You look smooth. 
Roy


Posted By: atlas_shrugged
Date Posted: 14 September 2018 at 9:46pm
Big congratulations to the Liverpool Team with Arion 4 for new Arm Power World Records:
 
Men Ken Talbot 51.58 mph
Women Karen Darke 46.05 mph


Posted By: legs_larry
Date Posted: 14 September 2018 at 10:23pm
Much better weather this morning as the wind stayed pretty kind for most of the session.  Natch one of the riders who didn't get a legal run was HPT Delft/Amsterdam's Jennifer Breet.  We think the wind loves her and wants to be her friend.  Andrea Gallo in Taurus was over 80 again, closely followed by Fabien Canal in Altaïr 6 at 79.48.  And the ever-popular Adam Ince finally got an Official Hat with a 51.42 mph run in Half Fast.  I'm on chase vehicle duty again today, so got to ride behind Adam, Andrea, Valina Sintalova in Bluenose and Matthias König in VeloX XS.  With his ability to walk unaided and make jokes in English after a run, we think Matthias isn't trying hard enough Big smile

Oh, and two more world records for the Liverpool team  Ken and Karen both ran in the 600/200m discipline (i.e. a very short run-up).  Ken did 33.81 and Karen 30.30 mph, boosting the previous marks by more than 5 and 8 mph respectively.

Weather is looking OK for this evening and tomorrow morning but a bit ropy for tomorrow night, so the fast girls and boys are anxious to get a good one in ASAP.  Lieke de Cock looks the more likely of the VeloX 8 riders to break the women's record, and Fabien and the luckless Calvin Moes are both looking for 80.  Mr World's Fastest Mammal Todd Reichert is now here to Dispense Wisdom in Calvin's direction, because Canada.


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Posted By: legs_larry
Date Posted: 15 September 2018 at 5:47am
More rubbish behaviour from the wind this evening.  Only two riders with legal wind and neither was Jennifer Cry  Valina Sintalova decked Bluenose somewhere on the course, Fabien Canal pulled up Altaïr 6 half a mile down the road because of the wind and toppled over before the team could get out of the van and catch him and, while able to make a wind-legal 78.11 mph run, Calvin Moes decked Eta Prime at catch again.  I heard the camera pod b0rked off, so more midnight oil for the Toronto team.  It was also Calvin's turn to cook dinner tonight.

Liverpool had problems too; the main screen in ARION 4 blanked out just as Karen was taking evasive action to avoid the team recovering Bluenose (she was able to switch to the backup and get down the road OK) while some derangement caused the front tyre to start rubbing the top of the fairing during Ken's run, filling the interior with little chunks of rubber and limiting the speed to a legal 36.73 mph in spite of record-breaking power input from the rider.  Fortunately the tyre stayed in one piece as for some unfathomable reason the front is a skinny 650B, which are in short supply in Nevada.


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Posted By: GeoffBird
Date Posted: 15 September 2018 at 11:05am
Was that 650B a Schwalbe Pro One tubeless by any chance? This may be because, for reasons only known to them, Schwalbe do a 25 mm 650B tubeless, but not a 650C in any width.

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Posted By: JDub
Date Posted: 15 September 2018 at 11:11am
Just a couple of points. Team Cygnus transport their bike in a padded bag and don't seem to have problems, but they pick the bike up at the airport. They don't rely on couriers.

I don't think a VR headset will work. The vision needs to be fixed to the bike, not to the rider. With a VR headset, would need to clamp the rider's head solid to the shell, which would be quite unpleasant. The tablets used by many of the bikes work very well and provide far more vision than Soup Dragon has by direct vision or screen. 

Most camera bikes have the cameras on a pod above the rider's head. This gives a good view of the road. I learned a bit about how not to do it with Alan Grace. The Slippery Slug had the camera in the point of the nose. The road looked vast and the centre line and edge of the road were not visible enough to steer by.  Moving the camera to a pod above the rider gave good vision and no problem steering. 


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Posted By: JDub
Date Posted: 15 September 2018 at 11:18am
BTW, not going to be a laminar flow shape if the air can push it out of shape and it has to be stretched to get Russ in. Not clear if he hopes to run again.



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Posted By: JDub
Date Posted: 15 September 2018 at 1:03pm
Actually, as the VR headset responds to head position, it might work, but has more to go wrong. Need to be able to change to full backup system in an instant. One bike had a backup screen that needed to be flipped down. It crashed when the main camera failed. I think it was one of the VeloX bikes in testing at home. There have been some examples of screen failures this year.



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Posted By: RoyMacdonald
Date Posted: 15 September 2018 at 6:18pm
Originally posted by JDub JDub wrote:

BTW, not going to be a laminar flow shape if the air can push it out of shape and it has to be stretched to get Russ in. Not clear if he hopes to run again.


Did you look at Mikes Autocad presentation? It showed that a 5 mm change in the body disrupted the laminar flow. They should run Autocad again with the new parameters I think.

Roy 


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 15 September 2018 at 6:33pm
I don't think they are going to be doing any more serious runs until the wobbles have been sorted...


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Posted By: RoyMacdonald
Date Posted: 15 September 2018 at 6:41pm
Originally posted by JDub JDub wrote:

Actually, as the VR headset responds to head position, it might work, but has more to go wrong. Need to be able to change to full backup system in an instant. One bike had a backup screen that needed to be flipped down. It crashed when the main camera failed. I think it was one of the VeloX bikes in testing at home. There have been some examples of screen failures this year.


Hi Jonathan
 
Could ask the model aircraft world how reliable they are. Those craft they fly all cost several thousand so I wouldn't see them being so popular if the tech was unreliable. The ones they use all are wireless of necessity so there are no wires to break.

It isn't clear how important camera position is when you can move the camera by simply moving your head to look where you want. The cameras are tiny though so is should be easy enough to choose any position you want.

Pilots are using VR headsets to test planes using Fused Reality in the air by using a VR airstrip at 5000 ft and landing on that in real world conditions to see how the plane reacts in adverse conditions.

Also surgeons are doing operations using fused reality that overlays organs the surgeon cannot normally see using a VR headset.

The new Lockheed Martin F-35 uses a VR helmet with 6 infrared cameras to give the pilot a 360 view of the airspace without the plane in it obscuring any part of the airspace.

It's easy to test how practical it is to flip the headset up to look at a backup screen with a padded bike on a test track first.

I was seriously impressed by the demo in Battle of Britain Model Aircraft Squadron. If you look at the first photo in my first post you can see the guy on the ground looking to the left in the cockpit of the plane he is flying. It's not just a widescreen shot cut down. In the next one he turns his head to look straight ahead.

Roy




Posted By: RoyMacdonald
Date Posted: 15 September 2018 at 6:50pm
Originally posted by AlanGoodman AlanGoodman wrote:

I don't think they are going to be doing any more serious runs until the wobbles have been sorted...

I get nervous when my Kingcycle wobbles a little at 25 mph.Shocked

Roy


Posted By: russellbridge
Date Posted: 15 September 2018 at 7:13pm
No we're not running again.
I've uploaded a couple of videos to youtube using slightly faster early-hours internet.
This is me going down the 2.5mile course in the Milan, amazing footage from Nik Runner using his drone:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmdcuH-e3Ow" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmdcuH-e3Ow
and this is me going though the timing gates in Soup Dragon, again with added commentary from Nik: Big smile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUvo_vKNHfA&feature=youtu.be" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUvo_vKNHfA&feature=youtu.be


Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 15 September 2018 at 7:42pm
Originally posted by russellbridge russellbridge wrote:

No we're not running again.


Very wise!!


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Posted By: RoyMacdonald
Date Posted: 15 September 2018 at 8:17pm
OK I've been reading the forums and Fat Shark are not VR Goggles they are FPV goggles which is what the 120 mph racing drone pilot use because they are virtually latency free. That seems to be the main reason VR goggles are not used. For the purposes of piloting a bike at 90 mph they should be fine.

It's recommended to by goggles with a diversity receiver. Basically, “diversity receiver” is a system where there is more than 1 active video receiver (usually 2). A diversity system will automatically choose the receiver that is getting the best signal to maintain the best possible video link.

I couldn't find any reports of failures on the web and got fed up looking.

These Zeiss ones would be easy to take off but they do not support head tracking. 


Roy




Posted By: legs_larry
Date Posted: 15 September 2018 at 10:26pm
Executive summary of this morning: at her second attempt of the day, Jennifer Breet finally got a wind-legal run (72.42 mph) in VeloX 8; Calvin Moes in Eta Prime did a wind-legal run over 80 mph; Karen Darke broke the arms-only world record for the third time this week, leaving it at  46.54 mph.

And your correspondent drove That Sh*tbox Dodge into Danny Guthrie's campervan in the car park just now.  Piss.


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Posted By: legs_larry
Date Posted: 16 September 2018 at 8:16am
Bastard Windy at first this evening and only Valina Sintalova made a run in the first heat.  She got Bluenose down the course OK but stacked the old warhorse quite hard in the deceleration zone.

Heat 2 failed to attract any riders at all.

Fabien Canal withdrew from heat 3 because it was Bastard Windy, Calvin Moes actually b0rked one of Eta Prime's chains on starting this time and Andrea Gallo, great slacker that he be, cruised through at sub-50 mph to show off Taurus' tricolore underbody LEDs.  Lieke de Cock had one more attempt at the women's record when the wind finally died, but came up a little short, as did Matthias König's quest for 80 mph in the final run of the event.

Andrea may have gone fastest but the big winners were undoubtedly the University of Liverpool team, Karen Darke and Ken Talbot.  Hurrah for BRITAIN!  Even if Ken is originally from Seattle.

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Posted By: AlanGoodman
Date Posted: 16 September 2018 at 2:08pm
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Posted By: legs_larry
Date Posted: 17 September 2018 at 2:08am
https://flic.kr/p/29L2Va8" rel="nofollow">
https://flic.kr/p/29L2Va8" rel="nofollow - P9150612 by https://www.flickr.com/photos/mr_larrington/" rel="nofollow - Mr Larrington , on Flickr

The sort of details that win races...


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Posted By: Dragonfly
Date Posted: 17 September 2018 at 3:50am
Impressive gears! Your reports have all been excellent and quite entertaining. Sure a bummer about the Soup Dragon and all its travails. Will you now ask DHL to drop kick it across the Atlantic again? Perhaps as carry on luggage in the overhead compartments would work better....


Posted By: legs_larry
Date Posted: 17 September 2018 at 6:08am
Originally posted by Dragonfly Dragonfly wrote:

Impressive gears! Your reports have all been excellent and quite entertaining. Sure a bummer about the Soup Dragon and all its travails. Will you now ask DHL to drop kick it across the Atlantic again? Perhaps as carry on luggage in the overhead compartments would work better....

The team said last night that they've got no intention of bringing the Soup Dragon fairing back to Blighty at all and that anyone who wanted it could have it.  I suggested a Viking funeral in the duck pond next to the high school.  Russ won an unexpected trophy for second place in the Men's Multitrack class (riding Greg Cantori's Milan SL while the owner was back in Maryland securing his boat from impending doom courtesy of Hurricane Florence Henderson); I do not think DHL will be transporting the trophy either Big smile


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Posted By: blogwat
Date Posted: 17 September 2018 at 5:38pm
Great reporting as always Mr larrington, congrats to the Liverpool team amazing stuff and big up to Russ too, well done that man.

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Posted By: russellbridge
Date Posted: 22 September 2018 at 8:24am
I've uploaded a short (12min) video covering my week at Battle Mountain this year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a7usJV_xDo" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a7usJV_xDo


Posted By: blogwat
Date Posted: 22 September 2018 at 9:03am
Nice presentation Russ, congratulations on your second place win, a great experience for you I'm sure.
Jeff.


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Posted By: Andrew S
Date Posted: 22 September 2018 at 10:29pm
Yes, great film Russ - really well put together. Many thanks.


Posted By: legs_larry
Date Posted: 23 September 2018 at 12:22am
Nice job, Russ.  Also it had Meeeeeeee in it, as "long-haired bloke filmed through gap between two Italian PSOs".  Fame at last!

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Posted By: JDub
Date Posted: 23 September 2018 at 4:55pm
Roy, Maybe you are not reading. Bikes must have a full backup system if they are using cameras. That would mean exchanging goggles when the 1st set has gone down. Not enough time to do that before crash.
 


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Posted By: Kim
Date Posted: 23 September 2018 at 5:38pm
You could perhaps engineer a goggle system so that there were completely separate electronics feeding each eye. But you're not going to get that off the shelf.


Posted By: russellbridge
Date Posted: 23 September 2018 at 6:48pm
We did speak to Al and Arnold at BM and they confirmed that a completely separate system for each eye would be ok. I don’t know if that’d be technically possible re frequency and refresh rates etc. The Mexican team we’re saying the the racing drone camera and headset systems were the best available, and a uk website called hobbyking was a good place to start looking...


Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 23 September 2018 at 6:58pm
Thanks Russ for the candid view as to what it was really like.

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Posted By: RoyMacdonald
Date Posted: 24 September 2018 at 11:24pm
Originally posted by russellbridge russellbridge wrote:

We did speak to Al and Arnold at BM and they confirmed that a completely separate system for each eye would be ok. I don’t know if that’d be technically possible re frequency and refresh rates etc. The Mexican team we’re saying the the racing drone camera and headset systems were the best available, and a uk website called hobbyking was a good place to start looking...

I think that is how some model pilots are turning their FPV goggles into VR goggles, by using a pair of cameras, one for each eye.

Good site by the way Russ. Thanks.

Roy


Posted By: RoyMacdonald
Date Posted: 25 September 2018 at 10:54am
Originally posted by russellbridge russellbridge wrote:

I've uploaded a short (12min) video covering my week at Battle Mountain this year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a7usJV_xDo" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a7usJV_xDo

Thanks Russ. I think a Kevlar shell next time with judicious padding could give you what you need. Carbon is not the best thing in a crash. Don't take too much notice of me though. I was happy do do 70 mph with just kite fabric between me and the road.

Roy


Posted By: legs_larry
Date Posted: 25 September 2018 at 12:34pm
In addition to a sturdy carbon-kevlar blend in the shell, most people are using a four- or five-point seat belt.  The Japanese lads fitted them mid-event in 2017 after Shinsuke Kouzai was ejected through the not-large hatch during a crash.

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Posted By: RoyMacdonald
Date Posted: 25 September 2018 at 5:15pm
Originally posted by legs_larry legs_larry wrote:

In addition to a sturdy carbon-kevlar blend in the shell, most people are using a four- or five-point seat belt.  The Japanese lads fitted them mid-event in 2017 after Shinsuke Kouzai was ejected through the not-large hatch during a crash.

Did his shoes stay behind Dave? Or did he manage to unclip for a bailout? Could have Velcroed himself to the seat. No scrap that idea. Could end up being ejected naked.

Roy


Posted By: legs_larry
Date Posted: 17 November 2018 at 8:58pm
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/17/health/fastest-human-powered-bike-fit-nation/index.html" rel="nofollow - We're on the telly!   Well, sort of.  Not yet found a link to the actual programme yet...

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Posted By: atlas_shrugged
Date Posted: 17 November 2018 at 9:35pm
Great footage. Thanks legs_larry for the link.


Posted By: legs_larry
Date Posted: 05 December 2018 at 5:14am
Dates for 2019 just announced: WHPSC 2019 September 8th - 14th Battle Mountain, Nevada. Tech inspection and riders/volunteers meeting on Saturday 7th.  An extra day, as if we weren't already dead on our feet by Thursday...

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Posted By: RoyMacdonald
Date Posted: 26 December 2018 at 9:28pm
Back in the 30's they had a 10 man diamond frame bike that was reputed to have reached 100mph on Hearne Hill Velodrome before the Velodrome motor paced events were restricted in speed. I have a picture of it and that shows the first rider pushed a small chainring that connected to the second riders larger chainring and so on until the 10th riders chainring was huge. It was built to do the motor paced events without using petrol for a motorbike.

Could something like that be used to set a record at Battle Mountain?

Roy


Posted By: legs_larry
Date Posted: 28 December 2018 at 10:32am
A human-powered bus has been suggested in the past, but there's probably a point where diminishing returns sets in.  The whole multi-rider class has been mostly neglected for decades with the current record being the last holdout of One Man And His Shed viz. my grate frend Larry Lem.  Tandem bicycles are a b****r to launch; I'm sure I did myself permanent damage when the Double Gold Rush fell over on me.

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Posted By: russellbridge
Date Posted: 05 February 2019 at 11:53pm
I'm working with LSBU again with a goal to return to Battle Mountain this September.  My role from 250 miles away is fairly limited, but one task I can do (other than do more training than last year) is to try to find somewhere to test the bike in the UK. 
Ideally somewhere in between London and Manchester, 1.5 miles min, flat, straight (ie not Rockingham), ideally with a good surface.  Does anyone have any ideas, or have any contacts in UK aviation / RAF who may be able to help?
Thanks
Russ

Thoughts so far:
- Woodford Aerodrome in South Manchester (where Liverpool tested) is now a new housing estate
- the long straight at Darley moor is too short
Possibles:
- RAF Fairford nr Swindon?
- Keevil airfield, nr Trowbridge
- Colltishall Airfield, Norwich
- former RAF Cottesmore, nr Peterborough
- Maston Airport (closed) Ramsgate, Kent
- Elvington Airfield, nr York
- RAF Honington, Suffolk
- Bruntingthorpe, Leics
- Upper Heyford airfield, Banbury
- Wethersfield, essex
- JLR at Gaydon
- RAF Wyton, Cambridgeshire
- Bentwaters, Suffolk

I've not investigated any of them yet. 



Posted By: Yanto
Date Posted: 06 February 2019 at 9:16pm
Russ, I don't have any direct contacts but being in the MOD I am able to look up contact details for OIC's outer offices.

I really think you will struggle for access to any operational airfields for obvious reason of traffic, plus security access will problematic unless you and the team have SC, in saying that there is always RAF Waddington (Lincoln) which has a 1.6 mile runway and also RAF Brize Norton (2 miles).

RAF Wyton is only operational for training flights of light aircraft, also there are USAF bases in Cambridgehire.

Kendrick Barracks (formally RAF Cottesmore) is used for track days so public access is allowed, runway is 1.6 miles.

RAF Wittering 1.6 mile runway just off the A1

What about BAE at Warton?


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Posted By: russellbridge
Date Posted: 06 February 2019 at 10:48pm
Thanks Ian
I do have a contact at BAE - I hadn't thought of that
Russ


Posted By: LWaB
Date Posted: 07 February 2019 at 7:41am
Looking in from left field -Speed limits don't apply to bicycles. How about a Fens road in the early morning or evening to minimise traffic? Plenty of long, straight, flat roads there and a couple of them even have good road surfaces.



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